48HRS After 53Y/O Woman Married Her Dubai Lover, She Lost Both Legs After He Messed Her Brakes,Why? – Part 4
>> are increasing, and particularly women.
>> Yeah.
>> We have to continue to keep working away at this.
I want to say this though, my mate, the Minister for the Communities Services, Kate Washington, um she has She’s one of those women that sits around that table with me, banging the table.
>> [laughter] >> She um she has There are now no children living in hotels who are in out-of-home care.
Now, there were more than 100 when we came to government, and these were kids who were too hard, too difficult.
Kids that had been had horrible, awful lives.
So, we’re chipping away.
>> Mhm.
>> We’re chipping away.
And a lot of those kids would have been uh First Nations kids, to be fair.
So, she’s doing great work, amazing work um in that area.
But, there’s so much to do.
I have to be honest with you, Gemma, there is so much to do.
There is a lot of societal need, and I think working as a group and bouncing stuff off each other, and working collaboratively instead of just working in silos, is making some difference.
Mhm.
I get it that people think it’s at glacial pace, but we really are just digging away, digging away.
Like, everything that happens in police world, I’m like, that’s the crisis end.
So, I’m in there so as police don’t have to do that, so they’re out doing other stuff.
Because that’s the the goal, right? >> Yeah.
>> Not to be locking up kids.
>> [laughter] >> Very true.
>> That’s the goal.
Um you know, obviously, I don’t know that I’ll ever be able to meet that absolute goal, but putting kids on a different pathway, um you know, giving I I We were up in um Tamworth with the premier, actually, making an announcement about a significant investment into youth services, and there was a group up there, and I just can’t recall their name now, but I’ll come back to you with the name of them, and they were they had indigenous kids, and they were setting them on a pathway of uh into jobs, and their success rates were fantastic.
These are the sorts of organizations that the premier and I assist supporting, um because they’ve got, you know, they’re not just doing a service, and you don’t sort of see any outcomes.
They’re actually delivering the goods, and that’s what you want to see.
And the kids were there, the young young men, they’re all young men, and I was sitting chatting with them, and they were just telling me it was fantastic, you know, yeah, helping them get their license, helping them the things we all take for granted, many of us.
Um and these kids don’t have the role models in their or or the stable family life that we take for granted, and having people in community replacing those roles is critical.
Um they’re the biggest-hearted, most valuable people that you’d ever wish to meet, and they are wrapping themselves around these kids, assisting them to leave crime, and to go on a pathway away from crime, and to be a success.
>> Amazing.
Ivan Milat is a name most listeners will know.
Uh he’s come up a lot in some of the cold cases that have been covered in New South Wales.
We’ve had a lot of missing and murdered women, and his name has popped up as a potential kind of perpetrator in those cases, and now we’re looking at a New South Wales parliamentary inquiry into some of those cases.
I know that you don’t have much involvement in that inquiry, but as police minister, what are your thoughts on it, and what’s what has been your involvement in it? >> Yeah, so Jeremy Buckingham um is the lead on on this inquiry, and I have actually worked closely with Jeremy as the police minister in terms of having him be briefed by senior police, uh making sure that he is um aware of what the work police are doing.
I think it’s often the case that we don’t understand or don’t have any knowledge of what police are actually doing in the the background, cuz they don’t tell us much.
>> No, it’s all secret business.
>> Correct, [laughter] correct.
Um so, in saying that though, when there’s an inquiry like this, cuz it was quite broad-reaching, and we have to make sure that we don’t um use, you know, all the police resources that we’ve got on that, whilst over here we’ve got, you know, domestic violence, public place shootings, um counterterrorism issues, all of that sort of stuff.
I don’t think I need to describe to your listeners um what the work that they do.
Yeah, that’s right.
That Yeah.
Oh, yeah, your listeners know priorities, all right.
They’re a woman, a mother, [laughter] a wife.
All of that A daughter.
Got to make sure you fit mom and dad in at some time as well.
So, I have actually uh assisted a lot to make sure that he has been fully briefed, and that the scope of the inquiry is quite specific.
Um so, that’s a good thing.
>> So, it doesn’t waste, like you say, resources, time, etc.
>> Spot on.
That’s right.
Yeah.
So, that’s great um when it gets going, and um the the scope is quite specific, and police are more than happy to work with him.
Like, from our perspective, we’re more than happy to work with him.
There’ll be other people coming in, of course, um but into the inquiry, uh but yeah, no, police have I I think that he would say that they’ve been fantastic.
It is crazy to think that we’re going to have an inquiry into Ivan Milat.
He’s been dead many years now.
His crimes were, you know, a few decades ago.
>> Yeah, police haven’t discounted though that there may be um other uh murders that they discover that he has been part of.
Um so, I I do know that for sure.
So, they’re quite, you know, open-minded about, you know, if they do find any that they’ve got the evidence there to be able to make the links like when we were talking about having the evidence, making sure we keep all of the evidence um you know, in you know, a state that’s easy to find um and we put a lot of money into doing that, which is great.
Prior to the special commission of inquiry uh by Justice Sackar, uh there was evidence in different locations around the state.
Um we’ve now brought all of that together, which is critically important and it’s all been properly logged, etc.
>> I’m curious about the personal side of this job because as >> we’ve touched on, it is one that attracts a lot of criticism, you know, a lot of anger from members of the public.
Has your personal safety or your family’s personal safety been something you’ve had to think about? >> Sadly, yes.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
Um but don’t you find that, you know, people are so willing now to be a keyboard warrior and say whatever the bloody hell they want behind a screen? >> Yeah, 100%.
>> Um I I’m pretty I’m just pretty tough, right? And if somebody wants to say something to me, come and say it to me.
I’ll have the conversation with you and whether we agree or not, that’s fine.
Um but I don’t walk away from my problems.
I don’t walk away from um if I’ve done something wrong, I’ll admit it.
I don’t walk away from anything.
Um and that’s just who I am.
I think growing up in a working-class family with not much and that’s just who I am.
But if you’ve got a criticism of me, um you know, come and and see me.
My family are not in this job.
It’s my job.
My staff, they’re not open game, either.
I worry about them.
Um, there are a lot of people out there who uh that type things that I don’t think those words would ever exit their mouth.
And they’re vile, they’re offensive, and they’re threatening.
Which is not fair.
You’re just doing your job.
True.
Yeah.
I Look, I’m not alone, unfortunately.
I think public figures Yeah.
generally um are probably receiving more vitriol than ever before.
And I mean, good, we’ve seen murders, you know, in both the UK, that young um MP that was out doing a street stall got stabbed.
We saw the in um America um shooting like I I hope to God we never see that here.
Um, but again, if you know of anyone who’s doing it, then call it out.
Like, I saw that stuff on the the the um thing about just into Alan down in ditch the witch.
Mm.
You know what? That is wrong.
Call it out.
And I say this, go back.
This is a lesson I learned from the Jewish community, quite frankly.
Go back to our conversation and back to 2023.
And they felt vulnerable and they felt like they were being attacked.
And listen to them.
Listen to them and act.
Don’t accept it.
Don’t accept it from women because it’s that sort of behavior that leads to the type of behavior that we talked about.
The control, the behaviors, ultimately it could be the death of a woman.
If we don’t call all this stuff out, then shame on us.
>> Lastly, Yassmin, what do you want True Crime Conversations and listeners to walk away from after listening to us because every week they’re hearing about the most horrible things that humans can do to other people.
And often, unfortunately, they’re also hearing about you know, issues that the victims or families are coming up against with police or courts or perpetrators getting back out.
What do you want them to take from hearing about the inside process of what it means to change the systems? It’s a pretty simple message from me, and it’s um if you see something that does not sit right with you, then report it.
That means if you see a person treating someone wrong, report it or say something to someone.
If you see a police officer doing the wrong thing, do the same.
If you see anybody um harassing a person because of their race or their sexuality or that they’re a female, say something.
If we don’t stand up for one another and become that society that look after each other, then we will continue to disintegrate.
>> So, you think even within those systems, the police systems, speak up if it’s not working for you.
If the court systems, >> Yes, 100%.
There are so many oversight bodies there to look at these things.
Go to your local member.
I mean, I’m a local member at the end of the day, and I have people coming in telling me all sorts of grievances with whoever it is.
It’s usually the last port of call, you know, they people are frustrated, they’ve called this one and done this and done that, and they’ve just like hit a brick wall.
And then they end up in my office on the Pacific Highway at Swansea.
>> [laughter] >> They come in and I say, “Well, sit down and let’s go through it.
” So, we do.
And it’s important that you do do that.
And maybe you may not get the result that you were looking for, but you’ll certainly have it looked at.
That’s what’s important, and you need to know that in a democracy, in our democracy, that you have the ability to do that because of our electoral system that we our voting system.
The person that is there that you elected will stand up for you.
>> I think that’s a good place to end.
Thank you for joining us, Yasmine.
>> It’s been a pleasure.
>> Thank you to Yasmine Catley for joining us on this episode.
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