Those things have been submitted forward to labs, to technological companies to help us.

And that’s we’re like you.

We’re waiting for those returns to come back.

Did you find DNA did that not belong in that house? the the the window of time from when she was last seen to when she was reported missing.

And I know you guys are asking for help from the public.

Is there any way to narrow down what time you might be helpful? I know there’s there was a report about a pacemaker uh thingy like Okay.

See, he’s thinking about it.

He’s thinking about it and he talks with his hands.

Watch his hands go to his face and cover his mouth before he answers the question.

2:00 in the morning.

Is there any way to indicate to people, hey, look around 1:00 a.

m.

or 2:00 a.

m.

to help them identify what they might have? You know, I I I I Did you see it? Yeah, he rubbed his nose.

Yeah, that that is a sign of deception.

He knows what the answer is, but he’s not going to really um don’t want to get into narrowing down the time because narrowing it down means we could miss some tips and leads.

We’re working on with the data we’ve we’ve submitted for for uh investigative analysis.

We’re working to see if that time can be tightened up.

But for now, we’re going with what we told you earlier.

She was dropped off at 9:30 and she was found to be missing at about 11:00 Sunday morning.

Okay.

So, now that time has been confirmed twice in a press conference, 11:00 a.

m.

Good point.

And then all of a sudden it changed.

It did change rapidly.

Does DNA of anyone else found in the house specific? We we we are we’ve submitted all all kinds of samples for DNA and uh we’ve gotten some back, but nothing to indicate any suspect.

Anybody in the neighborhood? I know you’re looking at video, different surveillance camera, anything that we should be looking out, different cars.

And watch the FBI guy still, too.

We can listen to him, but watch the Fed.

I I have nothing in that regard.

have any and again he’s covering his mouth after he says we have nothing in that regard he covers his mouth demand’s been made by kidnappers we have all kinds of investigative leads we’re working on we noticed that sheriff we noticed that the camera on the front of the house is missing do you believe the perpetrator purposely took the camera don’t know that we’re we’re looking into that as well that was one of the key pieces of information that he that camera’s gone has that scene been fully processed now we saw deputies leave around 6:00 last night.

We didn’t see tape go up.

You know, an Amazon driver was able to walk right up to the door.

Is that pretty standard for how you handle this? The scene is done.

We’re we’re we’re done with the residents if we need to.

Look at the FBI guy.

He’s going to eat these words one day.

Look at the fed.

Look at he’s like he’s like, are you kidding? We haven’t even been in there.

Go back to get maybe we want to do something with some some other piece of evidence there.

We contact the family and let them know.

But we have turned that over to the family.

I don’t have the time, but it was sometime yesterday.

Okay.

So, they turned the scene over right back to the family.

Okay.

Right away.

And now they have to go back and get consent and all this other stuff.

So, when we hear that, you know, the family gave them consent, no, not initially.

They they went at that house with a search warrant.

Okay.

Once they released the house, that’s when the family gave him consent to potentially go back.

Okay.

But the house was under a search warrant.

And he says it cover any tire tracks or any footprints around the house.

No.

Was there they didn’t get any tire tracks? They blah blah blah.

Would you please take us through again? As he’s covering his mouth, something’s going to be uncomfortable for him.

the timeline that you or he knows that they didn’t get the tire tracks or something to that effect.

Look where his hands are.

We’ve established of the events so far and is when she killed people.

9:45 9:30 9:45 we were told she was left at her home by the family.

At 11:00 in the morning, the family got noticed from somebody at church that she was not at church.

They went to the home, found her to be missing.

That’s that’s the timeline.

Okay.

Now, this is the third time he’s locked it in 11:00 a.

m.

, okay? That they go to the house.

Who’s the family? Again, don’t get it confused with Savannah.

Savannah is not in this conversation that he’s talking about.

He’s talking about the daughter and the son-in-law.

That’s who the family is in this conversation.

Don’t make sure we understand that clearly.

Okay.

So, because there can be a, you know, a cognitive dissonance that, oh, well, he’s talking about Savannah.

No, he’s not.

Okay.

He’s not talking about her.

From Saturday night, 9:45, we’ll say, to Sunday morning, 11:00.

That’s the timeline.

9:45 in the evening to 11:00 a.

m.

in the morning.

Let me get somebody back here, please.

Have you interviewed the people that reported her missing? the people from the church.

That’s the family.

Oh, from the church as well.

We’re doing all kinds of interviews.

Yes, I’m sure we have.

Have you been able to access the footage? He says, “Yes, I’m sure we have.

” That is not a definitive answer.

That’s a guess.

From the cameras at the house.

Well, that’s all been submitted and we’re doing our our best with those companies who own those cameras or built those cameras.

Are there any to release those videos from the cameras from the surveillance? Is there any plans to release the video from the cameras surveillance footage? We we don’t even have them yet.

So, no, not at this time.

So, that was a report of a suspicious man.

Okay.

So, I I I just want to clarify this right here.

What I mean by this.

Okay.

Uh TNA equals family.

S equals Savannah.

Yes, exactly.

Uh when when the sheriff is talking about the family here, remember he put them in two buckets.

And and if you’re just joining us, you got to go back and listen earlier.

We talked about this.

So when he talks about who went over the house that morning, he’s not talking about Savannah.

Okay.

That’s what I’m trying to say.

And and that’s why I needed to clarify that.

You made it.

It’s clear.

Yeah.

Okay.

I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t confused.

A few doors down last week.

Is that anything that you guys are aware of? Uh I’m not aware of it.

My detectives may be.

There’s a lot of detective work being done.

uh uh and I just can’t get into those weeds or even discuss with you what what they may have may not have learned for for there are concerns at the house that concerned us from the early on part of this investigation and that’s all I would tell you.

Yes, ma’am.

Sher, is there any history with Nancy needing police at her place or concerns where she was worried about somebody following or or you know we we we our investigative team has looked into all of those things and that has not been brought to my attention.

So, she may have had something like that, but I’m not aware.

So, nobody in Savannah’s security team alerted him to any stalkers or anybody that was a problem or a red flag on Savannah’s side of the coin.

This is critical as well to understand.

It’s a really good point you bring up because Nanos tells us early on day one Savannah’s security team got with Puma County Sheriff’s and they were already in communication and this is a day or two later, right? Correct.

And the question from the reporter is, did Savannah’s security team share with you any red flags of somebody who was a stalker threatening her would make threats to her family.

Okay.

Anything overt.

And Nanos just answered that.

No.

No.

Right.

Yes.

That was his answer.

Okay.

So then I guess I think where you’re going if you layer over this Savannah’s question with her from her brother.

Hey Cameron, do you think that I that I could be at fault for this for mom being missing? And her brother telling her, well sweetie, yeah, it could be.

Is that where you were going? That’s exactly right.

It’s makes you think, you know, it makes you think because the first question when the security team calls that you’re going to talk to him about is, look, I know this is going to sound crazy, but does Savannah have any stalkers? Anybody who would want to do her harm? Okay.

And they’re going to give them give her a list.

Give the sheriff a list.

And the reason for that is that’s their job has a security team around her.

NBC has a security team around her.

And that security team weighed in immediately of, “Hey, I need to tell you about a guy that hangs out or sends letters or does this or whatever.

” Okay.

Now, that would be that would be an absolutely uh huge red flag for the FBI immediately to jump in.

It would be a huge lead for them to start working on.

That’s exactly right.

Now, could Cheryl Sheriff Nanos have been lying to the media? Absolutely.

It’s a possibility.

At this point, he’s held back, but I I would think something that big he would have said no.

and that’s why he answered it with his hand.

Obviously said investigators when they got on scene, they found suspicious circumstances.

When the family called originally to report her missing, did they say anything about the state of the home? I you I I don’t know that.

I that I don’t know.

Okay, that’s a really important point.

Let’s review that.

All right, let me just if you couldn’t hear.

The reporter says, “When the family got there and reported her missing, were they concerned about the state of how the home was found when they when they walked in and realized Nancy was missing?” Right.

That’s that was the question.

Anything suspicious? Anything suspicious? And he brushed it off and says, “No.

” Of course, he doesn’t mention two doors were propped open with the flower pots.

Of course, he doesn’t mention blood on the front porch, which by the way turned out to be NY’s, right? Camera off the front porch.

The Nest camera with no sub subscription was taken.

It was gone.

He doesn’t mention any of this.

Fast balls coming at him.

Make sure I’m getting some different people here.

Yes, ma’am.

Yeah.

So, there was blood that was found inside the house and you’re testing it for DNA.

He’s brought now the the press is going, “Hey, you haven’t mentioned this, so we’ll mention it for you.

” Again, the press introduces the blood.

Okay.

Well, she’s saying inside the house.

Well, he she’s talking about blood because by this point the house has already been turned back to the family and Brian Anton has walked up to the porch.

How much blood and where was it? I’m not saying there’s blood inside that house or outside that house.

What I’m saying is our team processed a scene like you would think of any crime scene.

We go in and we process it.

We look for things like that.

Blood, uh, DNA, uh, any kind.

He set him up right there.

She set him up to get hit in the head with a fast ball.

Any kind of physical evidence.

Fortunately, he wears a helmet, fingerprints, anything.

And all of that is gathered and submitted to a lab.

That lab will report back to us what they find so far.

That what we found from that lab is nothing that would tell us this is who did this.

We’ll take we’ll take a couple more questions and then the sheriff’s got to go.

And the PIO is like, “Oh crap, he just got nailed with a fast ball.

” Yep.

We’re done.

Can you walk through the evidence that was found at the scene in as much detail as possible? No, I cannot.

What is the bottom of the surveillance footage? I know you said some of it is on is in the cloud, but you’ve also been reached out to tech companies that that are saying they’re cooperating.

Why have you do not have the surveillance footage on the That’s what I tell them.

How come I don’t have this? Where’s my evidence? It is a process.

that I’m sorry, but but you know, we’re grateful that there’s large corporations and companies who have leaned over, bent over backwards to help us to say, “Hey, sheriff, tell us what you need.

” And and and so yeah, I’m not I can’t slam them.

And and and we’ve asked them, they know the urgency here, but I’m I’m like you.

How what do you mean I don’t know that now? Yeah, it’s it’s answer that you gave earlier.

You were asked if there was question.

You were asked if there was any ransom and you didn’t say no.

You said we’re following all leads.

Does that mean a ransom has come in? We are following all leads.

We have saw last night the family.

Okay.

This is the last one where now we have the second FBI guy from Phoenix who runs the entire state of Arizona.

This got so bad they had to bring the juice in.

Okay.

to fix the sheriff.

You know, now this is really important to catch.

He’s not talking to the public in the beginning of this press conference.

He is talking to the family.

That’s important to understand.

All right.

Why? Because they have sent evidence off to labs.

They have impounded cars.

They have searched homes.

They have downloaded phones.

All this other stuff.

And the family, I’ll guarantee you behind the scenes, is going, “Why are you doing all of this? We’re not involved.

” And so he starts this presser off with this comment about and to the family.

You have any Do you have Let Let’s go off with it.

Okay.

They just hurt understandably so.

And so I I really want you to know uh this entire team here, those behind me, and our community are hurting with you.

You see, he’s not talking to the public.

He’s talking to the family.

They just hurt.

And I want you to know, not the public.

We’re hurting with you.

Now, why is this important? Yeah.

And why is he doing it? It’s an empathy play and he needs their cooperation and he qualifies it later.

Okay.

He needs them to keep playing with the sheriff.

Stay on my team.

Okay? Because I’ve got your talking points.

I’ve been out here doing what you have been asking us to do behind the scenes.

It’s my mother.

She’s not a walk away.

all this other stuff.

So, what he’s doing is strategically trying to keep them on the same team.

Okay.

So, he started this whole press conference off by telling them who’s watching, I’m trying to keep you here and I I feel your pain.

Okay.

Now, why is that important? because something else is happening around the corner here.

I can’t put my finger on it yet, but you usually don’t start off a press conference with I need to let the family know I’m I understand you’re hurting.

Okay.

So, let’s talk about the case and the suspect.

No, you start a press conference off this far in.

I have the FBI here behind me.

The reason we’re here today is to talk about the progress we’re making with this investigation.

Okay.

But he’s inserted the family at the very beginning of this press conference.

And there’s a reason for it.

I’m going to back it up one more time because you have to hear it.

It’s a good tra it’s a quick transition into the next one.

You know, we’re grateful that there’s large corporations and companies who have leaned over, bent over backwards to help us to say, “Hey, sheriff, tell us what you need.

” And and and so yeah, I’m not I can’t slam them.

And and and we’ve asked them.

They know the urgency here.

But I’m I’m like you.

How? What do you mean I don’t know that now? Yeah.

It’s it’s about the answer that you gave earlier.

You were asked if there was question.

You were asked if there was any ransom and you didn’t say no.

You said we’re following all leads.

Does that mean a ransom has come in? We are following all leads.

We asked saw last night the family.

Um you know they just hurt understandably so.

And so I I really want you to know uh this entire team here, those behind me, and our community are hurting with you.

Let’s try to get the volume up a little bit.

I You can’t That’s just That’s on their side.

Okay.

Just want mom back.

Okay.

Right now, we believe Nancy is still out there.

Okay.

You guys, could could they not hear that? No, it was very low.

All right, let me uh I’ll try to get it back here for a second.

I’m sorry, guys.

Just go back a tiny bit.

Let me try to get it back.

That’s good.

Stop.

No, no, no, no.

I know.

I can’t.

It’s really sensitive.

Right there.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

Uh, that should work.

20.

Nope.

You know, we’re grateful that there’s large corporations and companies who have leaned over, bent over backwards to help us to say, “Hey, sheriff, tell us what you need.

” And and and so, yeah, I’m not I can’t slam them.

And and and we’ve asked them.

They know the urgency here, but I’m I’m like you.

How what do you mean I don’t know that now? Yeah, it’s it’s about the answer that you gave earlier.

You were asked if there was question.

You were asked if there was any ransom and you didn’t say no.

You said we’re following all leads.

Does that mean a ransom has come in? We are following all leads.

We have saw last night the family um you know they just hurt understandably so.

And so I I really want you to know uh this entire team here, those behind me and our community are hurting with you.

Stop.

We we really I really want you to know that me and my team here and our community are hurting with you, right? We that’s to the family.

That’s that’s that one sentence Chris is saying is directed at the family at the start of this press conference, which is highly unusual.

And Chris is alluding to that there’s a strategic reason why the sheriff did that.

And I think we’re going to leave it at that.

Yeah, there there’s a reason for it.

Uh because they have impounded in my opinion, I’ve I’ve always felt that the fact that they impounded the cars, not NY’s car, that’s a that’s a given.

Okay.

But even then, if she’s a walk away, why are you impounding her car? Just we’ll just leave it at that.

Okay.

And then the second one is, why are you impounding the daughter’s car? Now, you can say, you can argue, well, that’s the car that she was dropped off at the house at.

Okay, fine.

That takes about 2 days to process and you return it.

You don’t hold it or send it to a shop to put it back together 43 days later, okay? Or whatever the timing was.

It was a long time.

So what he’s saying here is look, I’m talking to you directly because you don’t understand what’s going on maybe or he’s suspicious of something and he’s trying to make sure that he keeps them on the table and keeps the lawyers out.

Just want mom back.

Okay.

Right now, we believe Nancy is still out there.

We want her home.

Our depart our our department, the sheriff’s department along with all of our partners at the FBI have been working around the clock and and and we just want her home and get and and find a way to get to the bottom of all of this just as you do.

Stop.

This always rubbed me the wrong way as a journalist.

He says, sheriff says, we just want to quote get to the bottom of this.

It’s typically not a message delivered in a potential homicide missing person’s case, high-profile.

Usually the message that the chief law enforcement person or representative is saying is if you have her, whoever has her, and then it’s like tough talk, right? We’re going to come after you.

We’re going to hunt you down.

We’re going to find you and we’re going to bring you to justice.

That is typically what you hear.

You don’t typically hear, “Oh, well, we’re going to get to the bottom of this.

” No, there’s no sense of urgency in that.

There’s no deliberate force.

We’re not messing around, right? Which is what you typically see.

So, when he said that, I tell Chris all the time, it just as a journalist, it’s not what I want to hear covering this case.

Your thoughts? I think these are this is a softball.

He’s playing softball.

The FBI is going to play softball.

You do not tell the public to a career criminal who broke into the house, took an 84 year old woman out of that house.

Let’s just get to the bottom of of this.

We want her home, okay? Because that guy, let’s just play cartel for a moment.

Okay, look at this clown.

Okay, what about you? What about you? Okay, oh, you know, yada yada.

Okay, or a three striker, a guy who’s been in prison for the all their life.

Okay, and he’s out on parole and he decides to steal Mrs.

Guthrie.

Okay, he’s not talking to a hardened criminal.

He’s talking to somebody who is soft and he thinks he has a conscience.

The BAU has scripted some of this conversation.

You’re going to hear it when the FBI guy gets up and listen how he talks to the suspect.

But I have other partners out there who have stepped up and you’ve probably noticed them in the last few days if not the last few hours and you’re going to see more of that.

I made a decision to contact our PART team and those of you not local that’s our Kimo regional critical incident team.

It’s made up of law enforcement officers from this entire valley.

Now, what he did there was just stuck a hot poker in the FBI’s eyes because what he said is, “I have another investigative team.

I’ve called them in.

” And that’s a task force.

Basically, what happens in Arizona, there’s a team up in the uh near Xolo uh near all those towns up north.

Okay? It’s called MCAT.

Okay? They have this other acronym for it down in the valley.

And what it is, it’s individual officers assigned to this team in a critical incident.

They all are called out together to help assist.

Okay? All he has to do is look over his right shoulder and says and say to these guys, “I need 200 agents.

” But he didn’t do that.

He’s telling them, “I don’t really need you guys cuz I’ve got my own guys.

” That’s what he just did.

Uh, Pasquay Police Department, Tucson Police Department, Miranda Police Department, and he’s naming them police department.

This is so irrelevant.

Look at the agent.

Nobody gives a rip.

Yeah.

The guy on the the other the guy who works with him all the time.

See that guy? He’s staring at him like, “Okay, I see what you’re doing.

” And remember, I talked about this early on, guys, about tit for tat.

Okay.

Who who released the pictures of the guys on the porch? Cash Patel.

Okay.

Not Pima County.

That guy on the right in the blue jacket, he checkbaked him.

He he gave him a checkmate.

Okay.

By giving the pictures to Cash.

And who released those photographs? It was the FBI.

It wasn’t Pima County Sheriff’s Department.

Okay.

And then what did Pima County Sheriff’s Department do? I hate saying this, but it’s reality.

Okay.

What did the P what did the Puma County Sheriff’s? And by the way, it is Nanos’s fault for this.

Those two guys in the background want to find Nancy Guthrie, as does the sheriff.

Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying, okay? But this guy’s more concerned with poking them in the eyes than working together.

Yeah.

This is just more documentation of how unprofessional Nanos is.

Has nothing to do with the investigation.

It’s ego.

It’s ridiculous.

But side note, adjacent story is the recall effort with Nanos.

And now the board of supervisors sent him a list of questions and Nanos has less than two weeks to either put it in writing or go in front of the board of soups and an answer their questions.

And it’s all about leadership and lack thereof.

So this is this is just the games that this guy plays.

We’re pointing it out.

But I do want to actually stick more to Yeah.

what we’re focused on because that guy that that agent to the left, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Tucson International Police Department, Serita Police Department.

There’s so many of them and they because he’s disappointed because he has to work with this agency on other cases.

And look at him.

He’s biting his lip almost.

He wants to he just wants to say something, but he can’t and he knows it.

We’re going to help us tremendously.

And that that’s really done because we we have so much in front of us still.

And we’re hoping that, you know, I know the the the FBI has committed a very large number of men and women to partner with us, work side by side with us.

We go do an interview, they’re going to be there with us.

We we’re going to go u look at some evidence or process evidence, they’re going to be right there with us.

We’re sharing every piece of information, all the data we can to get this thing.

Meanwhile, I didn’t tell them about the DNA solved.

And it’s important that my partners in law enforcement know and understand um their roles because it is very large complex.

Now you see at the conclusion of all of that he has to turn and play the game like the FBI is with us.

We’re all working and how does he finish it? It’s important everybody knows their role i.

e.

stay out of our way.

investigation with a lot of moving parts and it and and we’re at that phase now where sometimes we’re we’re we’re we’re waiting, right? We’re waiting for analysis.

We’re waiting for lab reports.

But even then, when they come back quickly, for example, some DNA uh we rushed what we thought was the best target for DNA.

We did a rush through and and got some of that back.

The the result, did you see the the FBI guy? Yeah.

He’s like, “Well, it wasn’t with our it wasn’t at FBI lab.

” Oh, they could have handled it in 5 minutes.

Blood on the porch.

That was one we did.

It it it came back to Nancy.

Um that’s that’s what we know.

Uh but there’s still more items that have been submitted.

We So there’s more items items plural that have been submitted.

We just haven’t got them back yet.

But in the meantime, we’re not just sitting on our hunches waiting.

We do have a number of leads coming in and that’s why we brought in the FBI for one but as well to be able to get out there and handle these leads as they come in as quickly and as expeditiously as we can.

And every single lead is looked at every one of them.

And so we’re we’re we’re gearing up.

You probably have some questions about what you’ve seen in the last couple of days.

I’ll gladly answer those at that time.

Uh but it really is about getting our partners out there.

To be fair, when we went to that scene the first night, Saturday night, uh it was just us.

Uh since then, the FBI and others have asked, “Can we go and and see it as well?” And that’s what you’ve been seeing.

The FBI asked, “Can we go see it as well?” And it wasn’t Saturday night, it was Sunday night.

So, he got that wrong.

Yet this guy is cooperating with the feds for Nancy Guthy’s return.

No way.

But it is a very important case to not just me and I was afraid of this from the very first time we covered this.

Did I? I mean, was I not? Yeah, for sure.

And even the panel when we brought the panel up on this, it was like, you got to be kidding me.

my team, but this entire community, all of our law enforcement partners, suspects.

I know there’s been a lot out there about suspects.

Now, this is important because in this statement, look at the FBI guy again, the guy on the in the gray coat.

I wish I could get him on here, but he’ll never he will never come on.

The poor guy.

They won’t tell you the sky is blue, so he ain’t coming on our show.

I’ll tell you.

And so anyway, but listen to how carefully he frames this, okay? And I want to be very clear.

At this time, we have at this time not identified a suspect or a person of interest in this case.

We are working our best to do that.

But to be clear, we have nobody of interest or any suspects that you would consider a prime suspect.

We’re just not there.

We’re not there yet.

The timeline, I think we’ve got it on the board, do we not? This is a timeline that we have been able to develop with some of the things that we’ve had processed.

uh various pieces of of of electronics that we’ve gathered, including phones.

And you you look at some of this and I know you’re going to say, “Well, why did it take you so long to get this to us, Sheriff?” Well, because one thing, it’s got to go out and be processed at different lab sites.

And sometimes that stuff comes back to us and like you, we have questions and we say, “Wait a minute.

What is this about? What what about this? Could it be that?” And so it’s sent back or it’s sent somewhere else.

So, and that could be because you have contradictory statements and evidence pointing you in a different direction.

You’re going, “Well, wait a minute.

We we thought it was this.

” And so, you send it back to the lab.

No, they don’t.

They pick up the phone and they say, “Explain what this is.

” And that’s happening with all of the things we see, that process, that review.

He’s full of um that’s not happening with all the evidence coming back in that questioning of all right what is it we’re looking at this again he’s dodging what should be said we’ve got some EV evidence coming back it is contradictory to our investigation at this point we’re not going to go into those details but we are looking into it and the investigation is moving forward So, I’ll go over it with you.

You can see it on the board there.

But at about 5:32 p.

m.

, these are approximate times.

5:32 p.

m.

Nancy travels to the to her local family’s home for dinner and and playing games with the family.

Again, he he still maintains the family.

Okay.

Savannah is not in this conversation.

Again, keep this in mind.

He put her in a different bucket early on.

just visited at 9:48 p.

m.

which is very consistent to what we were told by the family that Nancy was dropped off at home.

This is consistent from what we were told by the family.

Okay.

home.

And we we we know that because we have a garage door open at approximately I can’t stress that enough, at approximately 9:48 p.

m.

At 9:50 p.

m.

, that garage door closes, which is that time, we assume that NY’s home and probably going to bed.

So, this guy operates from assumptions.

Yeah.

Sunday morning, early morning at 1:47 a.

m.

, the doorbell doorbell camera disconnects.

At 2:12 a.

m.

, software detects a person on a camera, but there’s no video available.

They had no subscription, and therefore it would rewrite itself.

Kind of it just kind of loops, right? And covers up.

That’s what our analysis teams have told us.

We’re not done with that.

We’ll do all we can.

But that’s what it says.

If it detects a person on camera, could that be an animal? Ah, here’s a question.

Why is he introducing if it could be an animal? Because it could be out he he it’s outside obviously.

Which which camera is it? Is it the one at the front porch that he hasn’t told us was taken? Correct.

Again, he’s confusing reality here.

And look at the FBI guy.

He’s side eyeing him.

Yeah.

He’s like, “Dude, what are you doing?” I I imagine that’s possible.

We don’t know.

Is it a Is it an animal outside? I imagine that’s possible.

So, this guy operates on assumptions with an imagination.

know that we we just have no video, but we’re not giving up on that.

228 NY’s pacemaker app shows that it was a disconnect from the phone.

Her app disconnects from the phone.

And what he should have said is it’s a distance issue because that pacemaker was no longer within the distance that it was going to be on the app.

6 a.

m.

uh the family check now 56 minutes later in this conversation.

This is brand new at at this point when this was reported, which he has been reporting in three separate press conferences.

11:00 a.

m.

Now 56 minutes has been added to this time frame.

Everybody copy that.

Nancy discovers her missing and at 12:03.

See, he he just glosses right over that.

11:56 now discover, you know, the family goes to check on Nancy and discovers her missing.

So now it’s gone from 11:00 a.

m.

where they searched for her and they did their own little thing to well we got there at 11:56 and we made a phone call at 12:03 p.

m.

911 has called in to the P County Sheriff’s Department.

So let’s see here.

Let’s see.

4 7 about 7 minutes.

So it’s gone from 56 minutes to seven minutes.

So, they called all the hospitals, and this is one of the reasons we’re doing this show.

They made all those phone calls.

They called their sister in 7 minutes or thereabouts.

Let’s give them 15 minutes.

Well, the dine piece um during the dine piece, Savannah said she received that phone call around 200 p.

m.

Okay, that’s even worse.

So, it was it seemed like it was a couple of hours after her sister called 911.

I don’t think I’m wrong on that.

I think I have that accurate.

Okay.

So, but this is a huge discrepancy.

This is a huge again another problem.

I believe it’s about approximately 10 minutes later, 12 minutes later, our patrol teams arrive.

They see the scene and we start our response with our search and rescue.

So about 12, whatever it was, they’re 15, the cops are on the scene.

They’re there.

They dis they see the scene, quote unquote.

What did they see? They see the gates open.

They see the blood.

They see the the discrepancies with inside of the house that caused him to think she was taken out of that house.

There was a crime scene here.

Did they see all of that? Well, if they saw it, who didn’t see it? Rescue teams and our detectives from homicide and various units.

In fact, uh, every unit here, I I think somebody questioned what how come there’s an IAK member out here or No, he’s saying IAK came the day of, uh, to Nancy Grace’s house.

Nancy Guthrie, Guthri’s house.

No, he’s got the timing off.

IAK wasn’t there.

They went to Annie’s house.

And so, he’s tying them together.

And what he’s trying to do is justify why IC’s there.

And I’ve said that from the beginning.

Why is IAC on the scene? Uh this member, every everybody in our criminal investigations team is a part of this team and part of this investigative effort.

So the detective response is out of sequence in this press conference.

Okay.

IAC was not there that night.

Okay, this is the he’s talking about the sequence of events.

Okay, they were not called out as part of the search and rescue all hands on deck.

Remember the he they were called out because they needed a EUD.

Yeah.

And it was several days later.

And who had the EUD? IA.

Um, I think with that, let me make sure.

Let me check my list and look at the FBI guy.

Trying to see what’s going to clarify some things that I may have already done, but yeah, I’ve gone over with the blood at the front door.

Uh, the doorbell camera.

Um, it it was removed.

We know that, but we’re not confirming that any cameras were smashed or destroyed around the house.

I don’t know where that came from, but that’s something we’re not confirming.

The car uh the the the car that was at the home uh was it’s just standard investigative practices.

It’s part of the search warrant scene.

Okay, that’s NY’s car.

What about Annie’s car? orders.

We We pull it out of there and do our scene processing with the vehicle.

Oh, we forgot to tell you about that Uber.

We did speak to a driver because Nancy, we learned, had been taken uh the Uber to the family residence, um uh the the daughter for dinner.

And we the daughter for dinner.

That doesn’t make any Oh, he’s he’s a grammatical nightmare.

The family residence.

The daughter for dinner.

It makes no sense.

I hate sentence fragments.

Drives me crazy.

But body language experts tell you that when people are being not truthful, they use fewer words.

Yeah.

Right.

I’m just saying uh I’m not implying that the sheriff is lying about this.

I’m just saying it’s extra annoying listening to it.

That driver and spoke with them and and got that information.

Got that information.

Yeah.

He doesn’t say we believe the Uber driver had nothing to do with this or or we confirm the information.

We confirm the timing of all this and it and it adds up or it doesn’t add up.

We got that information.

Uh you guys got this.

I think conducting followup.

Um you I think you said somebody had mentioned that they saw a team out there again last night or yesterday and it was that’s just again what I was talking about before.

Our partners wanted a chance to see it and and and examine things themselves.

And more importantly, it’s just we we’re constantly following.

You know how this thing went down? I’ll put money on it.

You mean you guys closed the scene down? Wow.

Okay.

Well, you know, we’d like to run our evidence response team, you know, the the team that uh is from around the world.

I mean, we can we can get this done for you.

Okay.

Uh, but you shut it down.

Yeah.

Oh, and now you’re going to tell the world it was their fault and rec they wanted to go back to the h they wanted to go take a look at the house just because on things and go, “Hey, what about this?” So, we want to go back and check on some things.

But I didn’t make any mistakes.

Oh, here’s the other thing.

Oh yeah, someone had mentioned there was force forced entry.

I have no clue where that comes from.

We have been very consistent.

We are not discussing that at all.

Why not? Why? Why? I don’t understand why they don’t just come out and say, “Look, the back door was left open.

The family went around, discovered it open, and they went in.

Why is this being held back? The suspect knows it’s open.

Okay.

Why is this such a big deal? Um whether it’s forced entry or not forced entry, that is something we’re just not discussing.

So I don’t know where anybody got that information.

Okay.

I love this guy.

Now the great part here is listen.

The the important part on this, the reason I cut this out or cut it to this piece is listen to how he addressed the suspect.

Again, remember Nano starts off with the family, you know, empathy.

We, you know, blah blah blah.

Listen to this guy.

Thank you, Sheriff.

Hello, I’m Heath Yankee, the special aid in charge of the FBI’s Phoenix Division.

First, I want to let the Guthrie family know that our hearts are heavy for them.

After seeing your message last night, it is clear that you and your family are in pain.

Now, wait a minute.

After seeing your message last night, obviously Savannah or the the first video with the three kids, the three siblings, that’s what he’s talking about.

They help them prepare that message.

Okay, they’re in the house with them when they’re doing that message.

So, who’s he talking to? That Why is everybody starting off talking to the family? Bingo.

Please know that we are doing everything to bring your mother home.

Those are That’s almost verbatim of what the sheriff just said.

Yep.

The FBI is now working this case jointly with the Puma County Sheriff’s Department.

And we’re going to start today by announcing a $50,000 reward for information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie and or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance.

And this will be the missing persons with the reward that will be going out.

The FBI has agents, analysts, and professional staff employees working day and night with our partners at the sheriff’s department.

We have deployed additional intelligence and agents from our Phoenix office.

We have brought in our critical incident response group from Quantico, Virginia.

Members from our cellular analysis survey team are here and they continue to collect and process digital information.

We are actively reviewing and analyzing information from all digital sources which includes banks, social media companies, phone companies, and any other organizations where a digital footprint could have been captured.

All this information provides data points and helps put the picture together.

And we will be in the community continuing to conduct a thorough investigation with our partners.

You heard about us out there last night.

We will be back out there today.

I would ask the media give our investigators the space to do their jobs while they’re out there.

Next, regarding the ransom letter, we are aware of a ransom letter that was sent to the local media and then to national outlets.

As with every lead, we are taking it seriously.

We are in communication with the family.

And while we advise and recommend from a law enforcement perspective, any action taken on any ransom is ultimately decided by the family.

Okay, that’s an important piece.

And we’re, if you’re just joining us, I want to show you something from this case.

We showed it earlier, but you probably weren’t here.

A tip line, and this is from Ganon Stoch.

Scotch.

St.

I say I can’t say it right.

Stop.

All right.

Um, this was what what we’ve got up here if you’re just joining us.

This was part of the affidav arrest affidavit.

Am I right? Yep.

Of Leticia Staunch.

That’s the case where the stepmom killed her stepson Ganon.

And so Chris found this.

So, what this says is a tip line was established and investigators received hundreds of tips and leads from the public by virtue of email and phone calls.

As part of this tip line, two ransom notes were received by email demanding money in the form of Bitcoin in exchange for Ganon’s return.

Investigators took steps to validate these ransom notes, including resol uh resolving and geollocating the internet protocol IP addresses from the email headers and requesting subscriber information from the internet service providers, the ISP, that hosted those IP addresses.

One of these ransom notes was sent from a foreignbased email account that is accessible by multiple individuals.

Investigators were unable to trace the user of the IP addresses and believe the ransom nodes to be fraudulent and strictly designed as a scheme to receive money.

Okay.

So the reason that’s important is this has happened in the past where families go down this road and they pay ransoms or they try to get you know and and some of them could be what I call noise.

Okay, that is an example of two notes that were sent to get the child back and they want to be paid in Bitcoin.

Sound familiar? Thank you to those in the community that have called in tips.

For anyone out there that may have information, no matter how small you think it may be, please report it.

You can do so by calling 1800 call FBI or online at tips.

fbi.

gov.

My next message is to those impostors who are trying to take advantage and profit from this situation.

We will investigate and ensure you are held accountable for your actions.

We have made one arrest related to an imposttor ransom demand and a complaint will be presented to a magistrate judge later today.

You will get more on that from the FBI and our US attorney’s office here in Arizona when it becomes available.

Okay.

Now, the important part, the other important part there, this all important.

He’s going to change his tone and he’s not talking or he’s talking to the suspect, but he’s not talking to a hardcore lifer, you know, three striker, somebody that’s been in the joint forever, etc.

, etc.

, etc.

He is going to be polite.

You see, he’s hardcore with the guy they arrested in LA.

Said to you imposters, okay? And then he goes into the next phase.

He starts it off with, you know, hey you, okay? But listen how he delivers.

It’s almost like he’s looking for empathy to anyone that may be involved.

Do the right thing.

This is an 84y old grandma.

This is an 84y old grandma that needs vital medication for her well-being.

You still have the time to do the right thing before this becomes a worse much worse scenario for you.

To anyone involved, do the right thing.

And we saw that on Savannah’s video messages throughout this ordeal as well.

She is an 84year-old grandma.

As if this guy had a conscience.

He’s talking to somebody they think will resonate internally.

And it’s interesting that Savannah during that show said, well, the second note was almost an apology.

Okay.

Or something to that effect.

Remember that during the interview with Hoda? I think it was Yeah, the dine piece had that or the dine piece.

Some somewhere in there there was like this positioning of well, we thought the suspect was almost apologizing.

Okay.

Now, this tells us about the suspect and what they the FBI thinks about this person.

And this goes back to the victim risk continuum and the fact that you don’t leave the house yet because they’re not thinking this is some hardcore across the border cartel hit with, you know, all these crazy people that will, you know, do crazy things.

Yeah.

to your point, they would come off much stronger, right? Like, we’re coming after you.

We’re going to hunt you down.

We’re going to find you.

We’re going to prosecute.

We’re going to nail you to the wall.

That they would that’s what you would hear if it was a gang, a cartel, a hardcore.

Right.

Right.

They they would not ask him to reflect on his grandmother and do the right thing.

And do the right thing.

Please return Nancy home.

Please return Nancy home.

You do not go into Pelican Bay prison in a max five prison because that’s the kind of people that would do this and say, “Please, why did you kill that guy?” Okay, so the person they’re looking for, they’re trying to appeal to their conscience and they don’t think they’re a hardcore criminal.

And the reason we know this is the way they’re delivering the message.

Correct.

Exactly.

Thank you.

So the the ransom note that was sent out there obviously every lead in this case we are taking extremely serious but not everyone is presented to the family.

Why this one? Because this was the ransom and this is probably why they have not released the BAU profile that came in and it had facts associated with a deadline with an a monetary value they were asking for.

So at that point what were some of those facts if you can because there’s been a lot of speculation as you know if you could set the record straight.

Yeah.

the ransom itself.

One talked about an Apple Watch and one talked about a flood light.

We’re not going to go into specifics.

It’s very important that um we keep this investigation uh moving forward and we don’t want to put more facts out there that others then can use to try to profit from this.

Who else we know? Who else would know about next? Ed Lambda.

Agent, I want to follow up with you real quick on that.

the um there have been as far as we know I think three ransom notes so far, one arrest.

Are they are they all different? You think there’s different authors behind all of them or so the the one that went to the media is the one we are currently investigating and and working on.

Um the impostor that I talked about where an arrest was made early this morning that there’ll be more information.

Um we believe there’s no evidence to connect this to NY’s case.

Uh it was someone that was trying to profit from it.

A total imposttor.

Yeah.

Sir, uh Mike from Fox Digital.

Uh Sheriff, you said you’ve identified no suspects.

Have you ruled out anyone she was with on Saturday night? You know, we’ve talked to so many.

I’m sure that my investigators have feelings about this one’s clear or this one isn’t.

But but no, I I I wouldn’t say anybody’s ruled out yet because what if what if I rule you out and then later I learn something else? No.

So my followup you mentioned that now he he ponded off to the investigators.

My investigators, you know, have not cleared anybody, basically is what he said.

I just rounded it up there.

You don’t know where the reporting of a forced entry came from.

Do we know how uh whoever did this got into her house? That that I would not discuss with you anyway.

Fox and why? Obviously, he’s holding it back.

He thinks only the perp knows.

He doesn’t want to put it out.

What if they have a garage activation? Well, that could be a problem.

But we don’t know.

We’re just asking the questions.

Any additional physical evidence at the crime scene other than the technology that you guys are using for this timeline? Is there anything else that’s helping you guys? These are great questions.

Really, the technology? Well, I think I said on day one is that it’s technology that’s going to really help us solve this case, but um no, I mean, you know, we we we did do a process of that scene for biological evidence.

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