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Welcome to the interview room everybody.

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I mean, we have uh put together uh a we hope a really interesting show here.

I mean, uh, we’ve been doing a lot, you know, the colonel here has been doing a lot of deep dive.

Uh, and we also, we kind of looked at each other last night.

We were like, okay, wait a minute.

Did we just think we heard what we heard? And we rewatched the interview once again on the Today Show.

And we also went back and looked at the press conferences at the very beginning of the Nancy Guthrie case with your favorite sheriff and ours, Sheriff Nanos.

Sheriff Nonads.

And we’re going to bring it all to you tonight because, you know, from the very first assumption when the first officer got on the scene, there was um an assumption of that there was some massive health crisis.

And before the crime scene evidence could ever be identified or tape put up, there was like this massive narrative about, you know, uh maybe there was something that had uh you know, taken place the night before, a suggested emergency and there may have been, you know, emergency services brought over and and you know, we kind of talked talked briefly about that, but we didn’t I I I didn’t really process the totality of it yet till I watched the press conference once again.

And it’s very helpful going back.

Okay, today is day 68 in the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

There is there haven’t been any arrests.

We’ve heard different things behind the scene that the investigation is stalling.

We don’t really know.

We have no idea.

Um, but it is helpful to go back like Chris and I did to those early press conferences.

And also, we’re really kind of deep diving into where the narrative came from from the very beginning.

And you know what? We’re just asking questions.

Yeah.

We feel like our job is to ask the questions, pose them, and you guys decide.

You guys decide.

Yeah.

And so with all the information that we have now, it it’s helpful for all of us, you know, who are, you know, at a 30,000 foot level.

Also to come down onto the ground for a moment and ask ourselves based on our own individual training and experience uh all of the different feelings and thinking that you may have had in this whole case.

You know all what have you been thinking? What have you been feeling? And then ask ourselves about logical sequences.

as you know who as you know as you’ve been following our channel here from day one I’ve always I’ve had a problem and admittedly so okay about sequential things uh in relationship to how statements are taken how statements are given and the reason for that is I have to the only thing I can fall back on obviously is my own life experience as well as my own professional work experience.

That said, I thought to I thought to myself, okay, wait a minute.

The sequence of this thing, if we go back and we look at, you know, again, we look at, you know, just the bouncing ball, and I’m only going to harp on this for a couple of minutes.

If we just go back and look at the bouncing ball, the bouncing ball is that night.

And we’re going to watch the press conferences once again.

Not all of it.

I’ve cut it all up, but I’ve I’ve highlighted some stuff for all of us.

And we’ve seen some stuff that nobody has caught yet anywhere in this investigation, at least publicly.

Nobody’s, you know, the the news media is not talking about it.

you know, the all all these other things.

And and it’s always neat when we put information out there.

It becomes, you know, um kind of like other people will look into it and then, you know, it kind of takes a life of its own.

But that said, we’re going to nail a couple of things tonight that you’re going to go, “Oh crap.

” I and we all heard it but you know the first time around but going back now with a little bit of distance at day 68 you know things kind of jumped out at us that didn’t originally.

Yeah.

And and so we have to presuppose now.

Okay.

Remember the first assumption again in this whole thing it’s an ambulance pickup.

Okay.

That’s that’s the first narrative.

Okay.

So, the first conversation, let’s let’s just hypothesize here and and play devil’s advocate.

Not that I like to play the devil’s advocate at all.

I’d rather play, you know, the other side.

But unfortunately, in this situation, I’m going to do that.

Let’s let’s presuppose.

Phone call comes in, mom’s missing, she didn’t show up for church.

Boom.

Activation.

family activation.

Go over there.

Okay.

And doors are propped open.

Blood’s on the porch.

We don’t know how somebody got into the house.

The sheriff won’t even talk about it.

Okay.

And the first thing you do to your 84 year old about your 84 year old grandmother or your mother and an 84 year old woman who can barely walk 50 ft on a good day to the mailbox, okay? Is jump to the assumption that oh it must be a medical situation.

So therefore, I must call all of the hospitals.

Now, let’s just recap.

I mean, I think most of you know this, but this is Chris is talking about what Savannah shared in her interview with Hoda a few weeks ago.

And Hoda said, “Take me back to that first night.

” And Savannah was saying what she was doing in New York City with her family when she got the call from her sister Annie.

And in in what Savannah relayed, and I think we’re going to see that again.

We’re going to watch it again.

Savannah says um you know this this scenario that the sister thought that perhaps Nancy had a medical emergency during the night.

paramedics came to take her away, which assuming would uh account for the the doors that were found propped open and mom nowhere to be seen.

Yeah.

So, I put on my first responders hat and you know, before I was in the homicide bureau, I spent, you know, um from 1982 to 1990, eight years on the street.

Uh, I spent two of those eight years as a vice detective undercover and then I got transferred into the K-9 unit and I spent, you know, from 1986 to 1990, almost four years as a dog handler.

And that was the best job on the on the earth, let me tell you, because you’re in the middle of everything.

So, when I got there, okay, in my head, I was like, “Oh, okay.

radio call comes out, you know, whatever it was 12:0 something in the afternoon.

And in that radio call, it’s, you know, my mom’s missing.

Now I’m going to go into patrol officer 101.

Okay, I’m there.

1097 on the scene.

You walk up, the RP, whoever that is, the family in this case, my mom’s my mom’s missing.

Okay.

Well, you know what’s going on? Uh, well, the doors are propped open.

There’s blood on the porch.

Her everything is here.

And we looked all around for her.

And we decided to call all the hospitals to check to see if there was a medical event the night before.

We’re assuming it’s the night before because what time did you drop her off? Well, you know, blah blah blah.

9:50.

Okay, here here’s reality.

Um, station O, this is, you know, unit 4.

What do you got? Uh, can you check to see if the paramedics responded to such and such such and such an address? uh negative state, you know, two, three king.

My that was my old call sign when I was a dog handler.

Three king negative three king.

Uh we had no uh medical 11:45 their uh medical aid.

Uh Tim Ford, hey, we just want to let you know that um paramedics weren’t out here last night at all.

Okay? We had no medical response in any way, shape, or form.

Well, how do you know that? because I just got hold of the dispatch who dispatches all of the medical units, i.

e.

ambulances, fire trucks, everything like that because paramedics sometimes ride on the the fire rig.

And um so what did you do? Well, we assumed it was a medical problem.

Okay.

Now, a phone call is made to the sister because they’re still there.

Remember, Savannah says it was chaos.

The cops were there.

They were calling 911.

And she says, “We called all the hospitals.

” Okay.

Well, I’m going to call all the hospitals.

That’s what Savannah said.

So, here we go.

We’re going to do a stop and start.

Okay.

Now, one of the things I want to show you even before we kick into that gear is Leticia Stal who killed her son, stepson.

Yeah.

Ganon, right? Who killed her boy.

I don’t know if you guys caught this or not, but check this out in her arrest affidavit.

I’m going to put it up on the screen.

Can you guys believe this.

Let me go ahead and read it for people who are watching on their phone and it’s too small to read.

Okay.

So, Chris, tell us what where this is from and then I’ll go ahead and read it.

It’s from her original arrest affidavit.

So, this is a case as we all know, we’ve all we all followed it.

Uh, Linda from It’s a Crime absolutely tore this case apart.

Okay.

But there’s one paragraph in the arrest affidavit when they went after her and guess what it says.

Honey, would you read that? Okay.

Um, it says, “A tip line was established and investigators received hundreds of tips and leads from the public by ver by virtue of email and telephone calls.

As part of this tip line, two ransom notes were received by email demanding money in the form of Bitcoin in exchange for Ganon’s return because remember they were looking for him.

Yep.

He was he was considered missing.

Investigators took steps to validate these ransom notes, including resolving and geollocating the internet protocol IP addresses from the email headers and requesting subscriber information from the internet service providers ISP that hosted those IP addresses.

One of these ransom notes was sent from a foreignbased email account that’s accessible by multiple individuals.

Investigators were unable to trace the user of the IP addresses and believe the ransom notes to be fraudulent and strictly designed as a scheme to receive money.

Now, why why would you bring this up for the Stoch case? Okay.

The the only reason I point this out is what if somebody watched that coverage and what are they what if the person whoever sending these ransom notes or anything else like that etc.

Well, we now know definitively this is something that is not uncommon in a missing person’s case.

And and in this case, the little boy was missing.

He’d been abducted allegedly.

And look how it was set up here.

As part of a tip line, two ransom notes were received by email demanding money in the form of Bitcoin in exchange for Ganon’s return.

Now, I’m not saying that that is related to this, but I’m kind of saying that’s interesting with this going on.

Okay? And when we start seeing all of these notes being sent to, you know, all of these other places, I want you to pay attention because that is a carbon copy of what’s happening in this case.

And remember, we always talk about you’ve got to look for similarities.

You’ve got to you’ve at least got to think outside the box and say, “Okay, well, wait a minute.

Has this ever happened with a grandmother? And the and the answer is no.

We’ve never seen it happen with a grandmother.

But what we do know now, it has happened with a child.

And it happened in Ganon’s case.

And that’s a pretty recent case.

That’s a pretty recent case.

Now the good news is they got some of the the the they were able to peel out peel back the layers and they got to uh you know that the emails were coming from overseas.

Okay.

So why is that important? Because you don’t want to get caught up.

Okay, you don’t want to get caught up in the noise.

Because if you get caught up in the noise, i.

e.

over here.

Remember we talked about two trains that left the station.

One train that left the station is the FBI and the second train that left the station is Pima County Sheriff’s Office.

I said from the very beginning behind the scenes and we had the panel on here to talk about it behind the scenes there’s a lot of this going on between the FBI and Puma County Sheriff’s Office.

Okay.

And we’re going to show you some of that in real time tonight.

So I want to go back to a couple of things.

We’re going to play this through and then we’re going to jump deep into the deep end into the water tonight.

And just when I thought this case couldn’t get any crazier, what did I do? We found a couple things.

I was like, “Holy Chris found a few things.

” I was like, “I can’t believe what I’m hearing or seeing here.

” Okay, so let’s play through this.

And I put my investigative analysis hat on, by the way.

That’s what I’ve been trained in.

Okay.

So when you hear Nonad say, “Oh, we, you know, we did investigative analysis.

” Okay.

Well, I used to train it.

Okay.

And so I still do.

I used to teach it.

Okay.

So my mind is clicking, you know, uh, differently.

And here’s why.

To the day it was, I guess, a normal weekend for you.

Yeah.

That the weekend your mom went missing.

Tell me what you were doing and what happened.

Well, we just Mike I had given Mike for Christmas a boys trip to go play tennis and so he had been gone for the weekend.

So I took my kids actually to Carson’s.

So we had a beautiful fun night together and then I came home and really it just got home at the same time that Mike came home and we were just saying hi, putting down our stuff and the kids were running around and my sister called me and I said, “Is everything okay?” Mhm.

And she said, “No.

” She said, “Mom’s missing.

” And I said, “What?” Yeah.

What are you talking about? She said, “She’s gone.

” And we She was in a panic.

I I was in a panic.

I’m like, “Call 911.

” She’s like, “I did.

We called them.

They’re here.

” And we thought that she must have had like some kind of medical episode in the night and that somehow you know the paramedics had come.

Okay, this this verbiage is very important.

It is very important.

She must have had a medical episode in the night and somehow the paramedics had come.

But listen to her response.

Uh because the back doors were propped open, you know, and that didn’t make any sense.

We thought the back doors were propped open and that didn’t make any sense.

Remember we talked about co cognitive dissidence.

Okay, she’s trying to make sense of what was told to her.

And the other thing that I want to point out tonight as we keep going down this lane here, who is creating the narrative? The sheriff is going to call them the family, but really it’s NY’s daughter and the other family members.

Okay, now this is coming really right.

I mean, this is coming from the horse’s mouth, okay? We’re not making this up.

This is not our This is our opinion.

It This is what we’re listening to in the public domain.

Okay? And now we’re applying some analysis, thinking out of the box analysis, and we’re not saying it’s right or wrong.

were just saying even she Savannah didn’t think it was right.

It didn’t sound right to her.

It didn’t sound right to her.

And so the question then is, okay, well, what would have sounded right? That’s the the next question that any logical investigator would apply to a narrative.

Hey, they came and there was a stretcher and they took her out the back, but her phone was there and her purse was there and all her things and it just didn’t make any sense.

So, it didn’t make any sense.

So, what she does is she fills that gap with a what if maybe they came uh, you know, and, you know, took her out the back.

Okay.

Now, mind you, she’s only being told this by her family member.

Okay.

She’s Savannah, who’s in New York City and and is in deep pain here, is being told a story about what she believes happened by another family member.

And Savannah’s going months later It didn’t make any sense.

It made no sense.

Even she’s saying it on national television.

You know, Annie and Tommy had already called all the hospitals, but then I’m like, I’m going to call the hospitals.

So then I started calling the hospitals and and the the police were there and talking to her at the same time and it was just chaos.

And okay, so again, the narrative is a family member starts calling all the hospitals.

Okay, so let’s let’s play this out.

All right, you get over there.

Mom’s not there.

You see the door propped open.

What’s your first instinct? Somebody was here.

Okay.

Or how and how did these doors get propped open? All right.

And then what? Um, it’s your mom.

She’s 86.

Yeah, my mom’s 86.

It’s your mom.

If the doors were propped open, I’d be on 911 immediately.

Okay.

Um, and then they go in, obviously, they would call her, look for her.

You hope they went to the front door and saw the blood evidence that was there.

and we’re told and that then they called 911.

I mean the the chat what what’s your what’s your what do you guys think? What’s your first instinct? What’s your first instinct? Mom’s missing.

You’ve got first of all, you’ve got two points of of concern.

The first point of concern is you’re getting a phone call from her girlfriends who say, “Hey, your mom didn’t show up for church.

” What do you mean? Your mom did not come to the service.

Well, it was a gathering at her girlfriend’s home where they watched a recording of the service.

So, it it was a it’s a weekly planned basically a uh you know, it’s not really an appointment, but it’s it’s a gathering with her at least one of one or two other girlfriends.

Okay.

So, she never showed up to her girlfriend’s house where she always is where she always does on a Sunday morning.

Okay.

Rule Okay.

Then rule number one, there’s an emergency contact number for Nancy Guthrie, and that’s a family member because that red flag to the friends went off like a fireworks that launched up into the sky.

It’s like, where’s Nancy? Why don’t I don’t know.

We better call her daughter.

Well, hang on.

They probably texted or called Nancy first, got no answer and said, “Well, that’s really unusual.

She would tell us if she’s not coming, maybe waited a little bit longer, and then called her daughter.

” Okay, very reasonable.

I I’m on board with that.

Okay, so let’s let’s pretend that’s that’s what happened and let’s play that through.

She’s not here.

She’s texted.

They’ve called her.

she’s not there.

So now they reach out to family and they tell the family, “Hey, your mom’s not here.

We’re worried.

We’re worried.

” And so immediately they get worried.

And they go over to the house.

Okay.

And they find the doors propped open in the back.

The sheriff has not told us how they got in the house.

He has purposely avoided that completely.

Okay? And you’re going to hear it.

I’m going to show you today again.

Well, not again, but this this one jumped at me and I was like, whoa.

Okay, I see what’s happening here.

So then the phone call is to the sister while the police are there.

We’re to assume that the police were not told there was a medical event because they’re there.

They are on the scene.

The first deputy is on the scene.

Now, the first thing a family member would have said to the deputy is the back door was open.

So, we assume mom had a medical event and she was taken out by the paramedics or something happened and she was taken out the house or they didn’t say that.

Well, why would they not share that suspicion with the first responders, the first deputies on the scene, but say it to Savannah two hours later on the phone call saying, “Hey, mom’s missing.

” That is a great great thought process.

And the only reason is if this was a radio is what we used to say, you can’t outrun the radio.

What does that mean? If you’re running away from the police, the cops just say, “He’s northbound on this street.

” And now the other guy coming this way goes, “I see him.

I’m getting Oh, now he’s southbound.

” Here’s the point.

Hey, can you check, i.

e.

the radio? Don’t outrun the radio.

Uh, can you hook me up with fire, please? Uh, standby.

Then the fire dispatcher will come on.

Hey, uh yeah, this is uh 302.

I’m out at so and so such and such again.

Did we have a medical emergency here last night? Negative.

Okay, can you check CAD? Run this address through CAD and within two seconds that dispatcher can say negative.

But we do have a history and he that he or she can give you the history of how many times they’ve responded for medical assistance to that residence in less than a minute, less than one minute.

So if that was a suspicion by Annie who found who was called to the home, couldn’t find mom, called 911, she’s the reporting party.

And if she looked at the propped open doors and said, “Gosh, I wonder if paramedics were here and took her out, why would she not offer that to the deputies as soon as the deputies got there?” Well, that’s the question.

Did she off um if she Let’s play she did.

Let’s say she says, “Hey, you know, we thought my mom was taken out last night cuz there’s blood on the porch and we thought there was a medical incident here.

” The deputy would have said, “Okay, well, let me check.

” He would have said, “Hold on.

and I can check that in about 10 seconds.

He would have had to check, right? Or else he would have been derelch in his duties.

And so he because there’s blood on the porch, right? So he in his conversation with Annie at the house, he would have said, “No, there was no medical aid called.

There was no medical transport from this home to any hospital.

” Right? Then why relay that information to her sister? Why is it a talking point an hour or two later on the phone to Savannah? Correct.

That’s that’s a great question.

That is the exact exact thought process.

Why is this a talking point? Okay.

A a talking point.

And when I started thinking about this, when we got to the press conference, something just blew my mind.

Okay.

Is there talking point? Are there talking points here? Are there bullet points that we’re missing somewhere? Or are there bullet points that were served up to the public that we are just supposed to digest and and not ask any questions and just say, “Oh, okay.

I guess that’s the way it is.

Yes, exactly.

Which doesn’t happen.

Not with the media and not with social media.

So, in this in this first in this first piece of this interview, let’s be honest.

Savannah is struggling with believing it herself.

And she even says it like two or three times.

Well, that didn’t make sense.

Uh, you know, etc.

, etc.

, etc.

I don’t believe that.

I’m going to call the hospitals myself.

Okay.

Looking for mom.

Okay.

And and her sister says, “Well, we’ve already done that.

” And Savannah’s like, “Well, I’m going to do it.

” Okay.

So, let’s listen and then we’re going to go forward.

I’m going to back up just for a second.

Disbelief.

How cold did it get back to the day? It was, I guess, a normal weekend for you.

that the weekend your mom went missing.

Tell me what you were doing and what happened.

Well, we just Mike I had given Mike for Christmas a boys trip to go play tennis and so he had been gone for the weekend.

So I took my kids actually to Carson’s.

So, we had a beautiful, fun night together and then I came home and really it just got home at the same time that Mike came home and we were just saying hi, putting down our stuff and the kids are running around and my sister called me and I said, “Is everything okay?” And she said, “No.

” She said, “Mom’s missing.

” And I said, “What? What are you talking about?” She said, “She’s gone.

” And we She was in a panic.

I I was in a panic.

I’m like, “Call 911.

” She’s like, “I did.

We’ve called them.

They’re here.

” And we thought that she must have had like some kind of medical episode in the night and that somehow, you know, the paramedics had come uh because the back doors were propped open, you know.

So they’re filling the gap here of somehow the paramedics had come because the back doors were propped open and even though they would have been told by the responding deputies that there was no medical transport, there was no call for service overnight.

medics were paramedics were not called.

Your mom did not call them.

They did not show up at this house and they did not take your mom out on a stretcher or any other way.

They that’s what they would have been told.

And yet they’re still talking about it as if it could have been a possibility.

And that’s why you get the the verbiage the gap verbiage of somehow.

Somehow there there has to be a logical explanation for the doors being propped open.

That’s what she’s that’s what Savannah is saying here for to all of us.

She’s trying to make sense of it.

But here’s the most important part of this just little brief part here.

Okay, remember she is being given this information by her family and her family is transferring this information to the responding officers.

Okay, or the responding deputy.

Okay, so I thought, okay, then the the next sequence here, we’ve got to put together the next piece of this puzzle, and that’s going to be the sheriff talking to the media.

But listen to the very last thing Savannah says before we jump to the sheriff.

And that didn’t make any sense.

We thought maybe they came and there’s a stretcher and they took her out the back, but her phone was there and her purse was there and all her things and it just didn’t make any sense.

So, you know, Annie and Tommy had already called all the hospitals, but then I’m like, I’m going to call the hospital.

So then I started calling the hospitals and and the the police were there and talking to her at the same time and it was just chaos and disbelief.

Okay, so chaos, disbelief that mom is gone.

Uh she’s calling the hospitals.

The hospitals are all telling everybody, “No, there’s nobody here.

” Okay, I can guarantee you dispatch is calling the hospitals saying, “Hey, we’re looking for an 84 year old woman.

Her name is Nancy Guthrie.

” So, the cops, even behind the scenes, are doing exactly what is is being said here.

Now, they could be doing that for two reasons.

The first reason is they’re legitimately looking for Nancy Guthrie.

The second reason is reasoning is we don’t believe you and we’re doing it to check the box so that we can put in a report.

Okay.

Well, we called all the hospitals and there was no way that she was there.

In fact, we discovered she wasn’t there.

Okay.

So, there could be an investigative reasoning behind it as well.

Okay.

They are also the CAD their computer aided dispatch.

They are printing all of that out.

Now what’s critical here will be that 911 call.

What was said on that 911 call? We don’t know that they’re holding that back.

However, we have the very first conversation the sheriff gives about this problem in front of the house that evening.

Okay.

So, so that’s Sunday, February 1st, right? Yeah.

And and this is later on in the evening.

They’ve work they’re working the case.

They’re searching.

They’re doing all this stuff.

But listen to him very carefully here for a minute.

I’m going to point a couple things out, but I think you guys are going to catch it.

How cold did it get? She was missing overnight, I take it.

She was Well, she was last seen at about 9:30, 95 last night.

9:30, 9:45.

Do you know how cold it got last night? Is that a concern? You know, you guys are going to know that.

Is that a concern though? Hang on.

It’s cool right now.

84 years old.

Tommy had already called all the hospitals, but then I’m like, I’m going to call the hospital.

So then I started calling the hospitals and and the the police were there and talking to her at the same time and it was just chaos and disbelief.

How cold did it get? She was missing overnight.

I take it she was Well, she was last seen at about 9:30 95 last night.

9:30 9:45.

Do you know how cold it got last night? Is that a concern? You know, you guys are going to know that.

Is that a concern though? It’s cool right now.

84 years old.

I I’m cold.

I Yeah.

No, it’s So, when she was last seen, a family had dropped her off at home.

Is that correct? She was last seen by family at 9:45 at 9:30, 9:45.

And did they see her in the home? Yes.

Okay.

That was the very first time when this sheriff was.

Now, mind you, he’s been debriefed by not only speaking to the family because he later says, “I was on the phone.

I’d been on the phone with Savannah.

I’ve been on the phone with Savannah’s security team.

” Okay.

So this sheriff knows sequentially what the appropriate time could have been and that’s why he says 9:30 9:45ish.

Okay.

Now the big question was the family did they see her in the house and what was his response? He says yes.

An even bigger point to make is that because the reporters are asking was it it was cold last night.

Are you worried that she was out in the cold? Tells me night one they still think this is a walk away with blood on the porch.

Granted, they didn’t know at that point it was NY’s blood.

With blood on the front porch the first night he’s still acting like it’s a walk away.

To Savannah’s point, Savannah tells everybody in the interview, “We had to convince him she didn’t walk away, right? She can’t walk.

She can’t walk 50 yards to the mailbox, 50 ft, 50.

” Yeah.

I mean, she’s not ambulatory very much.

I mean, it’s walking is very difficult for her.

She didn’t walk away.

Remember, Savannah says there’s no walking away.

Good point.

Sunday night, February 1st, he’s out there ask answering questions.

He didn’t correct the reporter.

If he thought this was a criminal investigation, at that point, he would have said, “Look, it doesn’t matter what the temperature is.

We don’t think she’s out here.

We don’t think she was a walk away.

We think somebody came in the house, abducted her, and now we’re proceeding as that.

” So, why would you not take that seriously the very first night from a family? Well, there in lies all the criticism against Sheriff Nanos.

Not all.

I mean, there’s plenty of other stuff he’s done, but the fact that night one it was still being thought of as a walk away.

Yeah.

And shame on them.

Shame on him.

With blood at the front porch, would you would have thought it was a walk away? Of course.

After listening to the family say she can’t even walk 50 yards.

Well, he’s answering, right? He’s talking to the press.

That’s a great point.

He’s talking to the press with his homicide guys behind him.

That’s even worse.

That’s I mean that’s crazy.

It it that is absolutely, you know, bonkers.

Okay.

and and now but but these are the the subtleties, okay, where that reporter, thank goodness that reporter asked the question because it it it sheds some light on this thought process of well, wait a minute, did they just drop her off at 9:48 and 9:50 the garage door closes and that’s it? Okay.

So, this reporter is smart enough to say, you know, this question and and you can hear it for yourself.

Listen to the question and listen to his response.

And who called in the missing report? The family.

You won’t can you say all day yesterday? Rebecca.

So, when she was last seen, a family had dropped her off at home.

Is that correct? She was last seen by family at 9:45 at 9:30 9:45.

And did they see her in the home? Yes.

Did they see her in the home? Meaning they dropped her off.

Last scene 9:30, 9:45.

Did they see her in the home? The answer is yes.

Yes.

He could have been the sheriff could have been just filling it up.

filling it up and just saying, “Yeah,” without either knowing or not asking the family because he he says, “Yeah,” he kind of throws it in, but let’s assume he’s has the information and let’s assume that’s what they were told.

Okay, so let’s play that out.

What does that mean? Do they pull up and watch her walk into the house? Is there more than one or is there are there you know who’s there? Who’s the family seeing her into the home? He doesn’t answer that.

He just says yes.

Okay.

Now comes for me it was like um my mind almost popped out of my head.

the next morning, the first press conference, uh, where he shows up with the homicide sergeant who’s been up all night, you know, his team working this situation.

So, the answer is in the home.

Yes.

Okay.

Now some time goes by and nonads is now at the podium the next morning.

Listen to the very first minute.

And who called in the missing report? The family.

The narrative.

Who called in the missing person’s report? The family.

Okay.

So, who is the family is my question at this point when I first heard this because that would have been my question that night.

I would have said to, you know, the first responder, the the first deputy, okay, well, who who’s the RP, the reporting party, the family? Okay.

Well, who’s the family? It came from one phone call, right? Most likely.

Who’s the family? Well, the brother and the sister.

The brother-in-law and the sister.

Okay.

Where are they? They’re over here.

All right, I want to go talk to him.

Hey, what happened? What What’s going on here? Okay, so now the critical thing would have been I need you guys to come down to the station.

We need to do a deeper dive here.

Can you guys you we can drive you or you can drive yourself.

Whatever you feel you would like to do.

It’s completely up to you.

Okay.

But I need to get an interview with with you guys.

In the interim, can you fill out these forms and and write out a statement so I have a written statement that I can kind of start to work off of? Now, I don’t know if that’s happened.

I’m hoping that happened.

However, when I heard what I’m what you’re going to hear here in in in a couple of seconds, I had a mind blow.

You won’t can you say who? You know, I don’t I don’t have that many.

Okay.

And Okay.

Now, look at what he’s doing.

He’s reading text messages or he’s got something on his phone and listen to what he has on his phone.

I’m I’m I’m going through some talking points for the family.

I want to make sure I cover them.

I’m not somebody who does well with the script.

Let’s Let’s slow that down and and tell people Let’s Let me Let me read it.

Chris is having a connection over here with this if you can’t tell.

So, here’s what the sheriff says Monday morning at the press conference.

Quote, “I’m going through some talking points for the family.

I want to make sure I cover them.

I’m not someone who does well with a script.

” Okay.

What jumps out to you guys if you’re in chat? If you’re not in chat, you know, just think about that.

But if you’re in chat, what jumps out to you? The sheriff starting the press conference saying, “I’m going through some talking points for the family.

I want to make sure I cover them.

” Chris, well, there’s only a couple of answers.

One, do they have a an attorney? And if so, has the attorney delivered talking points on behalf of the family? For the family, quote unquote.

You guys heard you guys are I’m going to play it again and you make up your own mind, but that is breaking news.

That is huge.

Let me break it down for people who may not know.

The sheriff’s role would have been to stand up there and say, “Thank you all for coming.

We are investigating the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

She’s an 84year-old mother and grandmother.

She was last seen at her home.

” And go through all that and deliver the facts.

if the family wanted to be at that press conference and they didn’t they whatever reason and so they had remarks that they wanted to make or put out there to the public then the sheriff should have said okay now I’m going to here’s the facts of the case what we’re releasing you know it’s been 24 hours here’s what the family in lie of standing here next to me at the podium they want you guys to know A and see that’s not what he says.

So it looks like he’s reading the script driven by the family, not the investigators.

Okay.

And which in all of my years, I spent 13 years in homicide.

I never had talking points from a victim’s family.

Ever.

Do you know why? Right.

Common sense.

What if they’re the suspects? What if it’s Leticia Stash and I’m right.

I’m reading talking points on behalf of Leticia on behalf of Barry Morphw.

We didn’t hear the department, you know, Colorado Bureau of Investigation, CBI get up and say, “On behalf of Barry Morphw, uh I just want to make sure I get all my uh talking points.

I don’t do good.

I don’t do well with a script.

” Okay.

What? And and I was like, you this is crazy.

So, let me get this right.

The night before, yeah, we found the doors propped open.

All of this narrative, all this narrative, all this narrative.

The next morning, he’s got talking points for the family and he calls it a script.

Well, wait a minute.

Actors have a script.

More than one person has a script.

Did everybody get together and write a bunch of talking points and say, “This is the script.

This is what we’re going to deliver to the media.

” Well, and here’s my question.

Do is there a lawyer behind the scenes? And if so, I’m sure we’ll probably get an email and guess what? You’re going to be a guest on our show, okay? If you send me an email saying, “Hey, you know, whatever, whatever.

” No, you’re going to be invited here.

In fact, we’d love to have you on the show because I want to see those talking points.

But even if there isn’t, even if there isn’t, we know Savannah has a security team.

Okay.

Even if we don’t, why is he delivering talking points for the family? What happened to the the head chief law enforcement officer for the Puma County? Get up there and say, “We’ve got a missing woman.

Here’s the facts of the case.

We think it’s criminal.

If you’ve got Nancy, you better watch out.

We’re coming for you, punk.

You know, words to that effect.

Grady Judge.

Craziness.

Crazy.

I love that guy in Florida.

How about Sheriff Arpaio? If you want to stay in Arizona, he’s not to stir the pot, but you know what I mean? What happened to tough talking? I mean, I used to brief my boss, a police chief, before these kinds of press conferences.

Okay, at least he knew enough.

You always do tough talking if the perp is out there listening and watching.

Always.

And for those of you crying who are new to our channel, Karen, investigative journalist.

Okay.

Yeah.

There shouldn’t be any crying either.

Spent 30 plus years, not at a press conference, not with a missing grandmother.

Then she was a PIO for five years for a law enforcement agency.

So, she would be the one that would be handing the chief, hey, here are the answers to the types of questions you would be getting, not here are the talking points on behalf of the family.

I’ve never seen it.

I’ve never seen it.

And you know what? We all watched this press conference and it actually went right over us.

Yep.

But that’s cuz we were, you know, our excuse, right? Like we we were waiting for the sum and substance of what the heck is going on with the case.

Yep.

But we all missed it.

But you know, we’re now back and we’re picking this apart and we hope other people do the same thing.

Absolutely.

And ask the questions we are asking.

So, what the local news needs to do, if you’re listening, KVO4 and Channel 13 and all you guys out there, the local media, it’s your responsibility now to go back to the sheriff and say, “Well, do you have a copy of those talking points? What points were you wanted that you wanted to relay for the on behalf of the family? And if so, where did you get them? The next morning when you were just at the the crime scene the night before, which you declared as a crime scene, and you brought your homicide people in, your alleged best investigators, you brought them in on to this crime scene.

Okay? Because I can guarantee you when Karen was with the LA Times, she would have plastered that guy.

Okay? Am I wrong or right? Yeah.

No, it’s called hard questions and follow-up questions, right? Don’t let them get away with not answering it.

And if they walk away at the press conference, then you continue to get them other ways through their PIO.

You show up at the office.

You don’t let them get away with not answering the tough questions, right? And so now we’re going to go back and because it gets worse.

Okay.

I all of a sudden once I saw that I thought okay my mind just started clicking into a different level here and I thought to myself okay well we now know that you can have fake demands with fake notes and Bitcoin.

Okay.

In a recent homicide case that was national all over the news.

And now we’re learning that did the family see her in? The answer is yes.

And now the next morning we’re learning that the family has some talking points.

And it gets worse.

Notice the FBI is not behind him on this.

And the and I know why.

Because they went at it.

I have a source that told me.

He said, “We don’t need your help.

” The sheriff said it.

The sheriff said it.

But here’s the problem.

He knew he was getting really bad press over this.

And so he asked them to come back.

And that would have been so this press conference where he starts off with his list of talking points quote for the family was Monday, February 2nd.

By the second press conference, the FBI was there.

But but that the second press conference, they’re back.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, let’s continue.

I’m going to back it up one more time.

For those of you who just got here, listen to the very first sentence as he’s looking down at his phone.

My local meeting back to the day.

It was I guess a normal weekend for you.

I couldn’t speak.

that.

Okay.

And I’m I’m I’m going through some talking points for the family.

I want to make sure I cover them.

I’m not somebody who does well with the script.

My local media knows that.

Um we get started.

Um believe it was around noon yesterday.

We got a call to the Guthrie re residents.

um that Nancy Guthrie, 84 years old, um was missing.

We expended a lot of res resources for a missing person that we typically always do, our search and rescue volunteers, our search and rescue teams.

Okay, so this is where I I want to stop just for a second again.

Okay, the call comes out as a missing person.

Now, the first deputy that goes on the scene sees blood, sees the doors propped open, hears the conversation from the family.

Yeah, we called all the hospitals.

Um, and she can’t walk 50 ft to the mailbox.

Savannah’s been notified.

My sister in New York, my brother’s been notified in Vermont.

Okay, so they’re out of the picture.

They’re out of the picture in the officer’s mind, the first responder.

Okay, what else has happened in her in the officer’s mind, right? Well, how’d you get in the house? He tells they tell him, we don’t know what that is.

The sheriff has dodged that bullet from day one.

Okay, day one.

I suspect they’re going to say we saw the gate open and we went around and we just went into the house.

Okay, that’s my my gut because again, we go back to the data point.

If the garage was open, we’d have a data point on that garage and we do not have a data point on that garage.

Okay.

So now at this point, the next morning, there’s a secondary press conference, but the night before he says, “Yeah, this is a woman that we believe walked away.

” Now, I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but let me get this right, Sheriff Deputy.

Doors are propped open.

Blood’s on the front porch.

84 year old woman who’s missing.

Can’t walk 50 feet.

Family gets a phone call.

Okay.

All of her property is there.

Her phone, her wallet, her purse, everything is there.

And it says, “What?” Oh, she walked away.

And now it makes a little more sense when Savannah is saying, “No, this isn’t a walk away.

” Well, she she said we were trying to convince the sheriff that this wasn’t a walk away.

We were trying to convince him something is very wrong.

She didn’t walk away on her own.

Again, to her point, Sunday night press uh not really a press conference, but when Nanos was out at the scene and reporters were there, that’s he was acting like it was a walk away.

Yeah.

And so, and so one of two things is happening here.

either the sheriff just literally fell off of a turnup truck and he cannot figure out with his best team ever that this is a suspicious circumstance from the moment he got on that scene.

They knew I I’m not buying it.

I’m not buying it.

I’m not buying it because they would not have gotten this guy out of bed at, you know, whatever time it was in the middle of the night and to have him dress up in his, you know, his general’s uniform and show up and then say, “Yeah, she walked away.

We better get some resources cuz this is Savannah Guthri’s mom.

” Okay.

Well, what else do we have? Well, we got blood on the the porch.

Hey, blood on the porch.

And you just go through the list.

All right.

What And what else have we done? Well, we called all the hospitals.

No medical, nothing, yada yada yada.

Okay.

And then we’re to believe, okay, that the sheriff says, uh, okay, well, this as standard operating procedure, let’s impound the daughter’s car.

Now folks, that’s that’s not how it works in River City.

Okay? That’s not how it works.

And the reason why is he’s going to give us some clues.

Um uh other uh agencies, Borstar from Border Patrol sent their canines out.

Uh they worked tirelessly all day yesterday and all day tonight.

I’m sorry, all day yesterday and all all last night.

to know about.

As I said yesterday, we saw um some things at the home that were concerning to us.

We believe now after we processed that crime scene, that we do in fact have a crime scene.

Now, you see how stupid that sentence is.

We we saw some things that seem concerning to us um as a crime scene, but after we’ve processed that crime scene, we now know it’s a crime scene.

What a bozo.

No, this it doesn’t make any sense.

Uh I mean, seriously, uh okay, we’ll just leave it right there with that one.

that we do in fact have a crime.

Um, and we’re that we do in fact have a crime.

Well, yeah, you called your crime scene people out for crimes.

Okay.

You don’t call your crime scene scene people out for people that walk away.

Okay.

The the crime scene CSI does not come out because of a walk away.

it.

If that’s the case, you’re going to be processing a hundred homes every, you know, every two weeks.

Okay? And this this guy is he’s trying to dance around what his he really knows is going on.

That’s what he’s trying to do here.

That is it cut and dry.

There’s no ifands or buts about it.

He is dancing because he knows, wait a minute, there’s more here.

I can’t tell the public.

Okay, I can’t tell the public.

But his ego will not prevent him from standing at that podium with all those microphones and him going, “Oh man, this is going to help me on my next election.

” Asking the community’s help.

This community has always stepped up uh to help us solve some pretty tough crimes.

Uh I’m looking for that again.

Uh this is a 84 year old lady who um suffers from some physical ailments.

Uh has some physical challenges.

Is in need of medication.

medication that if she doesn’t have in 24 hours, it could be fatal.

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