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I’m actually outside the uh Puma County Sheriff’s Office right now.

Just a little while ago, I wrapped up an interview with the sheriff.

Um, got a lot of new information, some some stuff about the the cameras at NY’s house.

I knew that there were other Google Nest cameras, and I was wondering if they had the video yet from those, just like they did from the front.

Uh, if the FBI was able to get it.

He says no, that they’re waiting on Google.

He’s going to explain that.

Also, new information about the DNA testing.

Uh, there was no match with Cotus.

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Um, it’s interesting that the FBI is telling us that, by the way.

What does that actually mean? Could there be something going on behind the scenes? I’ve got my uh retired FBI friend who’s going to kind of explain all of that.

And then there was some action at Nancy Guthri’s house today that I have video of.

Um, some of it a little perplexing.

I’ll get into all of it in this episode of Brian Anton Investigates.

Hey guys.

Uh, so I’m outside the Pima County Sheriff’s Office.

Uh, and again, I’m going to get to that interview with the sheriff in a second, but I wanted to give you all the latest updates from today.

Uh, some are pretty significant.

Um, first of all, with when it comes to DNA, we learned that they put the DNA from the glove that was located about 2 miles from Nancy Guthri’s house.

They put the the DNA into the FBI Codus database, which is the database um where all of the criminals uh their DNA is entered into it.

It’s a it’s a massive federal database.

Uh so the the DNA was finally entered into the COTUS database and it came back without a match.

Uh which is obviously not good news.

It’s not really what anyone was hoping to hear.

Um, and I’ve also learned that other DNA from this case from the Nan Se Guthrie investigation that was entered into the Kotus database has come back uh negative for match.

So, at this point, uh, no matches in Kotus, although I’m told there’s still more DNA that they plan to enter into the database.

We’ve also confirmed that they have started the IGG DNA process, which is the investigative genetic genealogy.

And if that sounds familiar, that’s because that is one of the big things that cracked the Brian Coberger case in Idaho, the IGG.

Um, and that is essentially when they take the DNA that they have and they put it into these genetic genealogy databases, uh, which is, and if you look back, I’ I’ve done a couple of episodes on this.

This is like when you, you know, do those tests at home to get your, um, your, you know, genealogy and find out who your relatives are and what your background is.

they have access to some of those databases and then they can try to figure out if they can find a match that way.

It could be someone’s second or third cousin or an aunt or uncle and then they can try to back into who the suspect is that way.

So, we suspected they were going to use that technology and now we’ve confirmed that they are officially um trying the IGG method, although that takes more time.

That could take weeks, that could take months.

It’s not like just traditional DNA comparisons.

Uh, so we may not have an update on that front um anytime soon.

I was outside Nancy Guthri’s house for most of the day.

There were a couple of interesting things that happened.

First of all, there was a pickup truck and a Subaru that showed up and the sheriff actually let them through onto the driveway.

Uh, I saw one, at least one man, there were two men, but I saw one man get out.

He had like almost like a briefcase, went around the back of the house.

They went inside the house.

uh which is the first time I’ve seen anyone non-l law enforcement go in the house that I can remember.

Uh I don’t know who they were.

Some people were speculating that maybe it was a locksmith.

Um I don’t know if it was a like a someone that the family sent over to get something from inside, but they were inside for you know several minutes.

Um and again law enforcement let them in and then they uh left.

So that don’t really have much of an explanation for that, but it was kind of interesting.

There was also um some detectives at Nancy Guthri’s neighbor’s house and they were inspecting what appeared to be like a a ring camera there with some flood lights.

Uh and uh the sheriff’s office later confirmed that there were detectives in the area but didn’t say exactly what they were doing.

Uh I want to play for you my interview with Chris Nanos, the Puma County Sheriff.

I was able to uh meet up with him today in his office.

He did a lot of media interviews.

We were only given 10 minutes.

Um, so you know, I was only able to ask so many questions.

So if you’re wondering why I didn’t get to more, they basically cut me off at the end.

Um, it started off with him telling me, it’s kind of like kind of awkward for a second.

He said, you know, you have questions for me and I, this is before the camera started rolling, you have questions for me and I have questions for you.

And he kind of brought up some of my coverage and some of the people who I’ve interviewed who have had not such great things to say about him.

Um, and he was going to address some of those things at the end of the interview, but then we ran out of time because the person who was in charge, like the the media sort of handler was said, “Oh, no.

10 minutes is up.

You’re done.

” So, this is really all the time that I had.

But I think what was most interesting is what he said.

To me, what was most interesting is what he said about the Google Nest cameras, and they’re still trying to get more video.

So, this is my interview with the sheriff.

Thank you for doing this, Sheriff.

Appreciate it very much.

Um, I know that that you and the FBI were able to get those surveillance photos off the camera in the front of the house.

Yeah.

Any progress on the other cameras.

Can you do the same thing? Boy, I’m I’m hopeful.

Here’s what happened there.

So, we of course that camera we don’t have, right? It’s it was taken removed from the scene, but we knew it existed and we asked I think it’s Google Nast Google, hey, what can you do with this? And we gave them the other cameras and asked the same and they said, “Well, there’s not a subscription here.

” And it is hard because it overwrites itself, right? Every I don’t know how many hours.

Maybe it’s every 36 or 72, whatever it is.

But you know what, Sheriff? We’ll try.

Thank you.

The way they went, they came back with this and my I’m going to try to explain this as a simple man that I am would.

They explained it.

It’s like peeling paint.

You have images over images over images and you want to get to that eighth layer or the sixth layer and you got to peel back very easily because you might destroy the layer you wanted.

So they were able to do that.

I said, “Oh, this is really that was that piece of evidence.

” Oh, they kept it 10 days.

No, we all would sat here with right in our command post with the FBI went this is really great stuff.

We need this out there.

So I don’t know that it was here more than two hours and it’s only because you had to we had to do some cutting of it the way they sent it to us and prepare it to get out to the media and had to check with Washington all those things that the FBI had to do as well.

and we got it out probably less than two hours and it generated in that first hour for us just alone here at the department almost 5,000 tips.

So, it’s a great piece of evidence.

So, there’s other cameras.

Your question, will we get more? We’ve asked the the the Google, hey guys, can you do this? And they said the very same thing.

Sheriff, we don’t think we can get anything, but we’ll try and that’s all we’re hopeful.

And so, as of now, it’s still just the video from the front.

Yes.

Okay.

Um, Savannah Guthrie, NY’s daughter, obviously very famous, loved around the country.

Um, is this really random or do you think someone may have had like, you know, a u a grievance against Savannah? Have you been able to sort that out at all? you know, well, yeah, anything’s possible, right? I mean, there was there was talk, well, this was a burglary gone bad.

This was that those things have never come out of this office because we we recognize that anything is possible and we’ll allow that evidence to show us what it is.

The time to ask that question motive is when we actually know who’s done this.

And so, yeah, I get the speculation, but yeah, I for me, I just looked at it and said from day one that Nancy was removed from her home against her will.

We need to find her.

I know your deputies, detectives are working around the clock.

I mean, we see them, you know.

Uh, how long can this go on for in terms of the investigation at this level? We because of the media really and that’s a that’s a good thing right because of the media we’ve generated so many leads I know last Wednesday where we’re at we had 18,000 leads that the FBI had 14 so you’re talking over 30,000 we’re probably closer to 40 or 50,000 as long as those leads keep coming we’ll keep at it I know you’ve said you can’t for the invest investigative reasons talk about what you found in the house um but is there a lot in the house that you’re not able to say? I mean, is there a lot of evidence we don’t know about in terms of this being a crime? No.

Again, you’re asking me something that I can’t talk about.

I will tell you this.

We removed some biological uh biological biological evidence, prints, DNA, whatever.

All of that was removed and sent to the lab.

We removed physical evidence, computers, phones, everything.

anything we could and that’s submitted to another lab that was given to the FBI.

And why do we give it to the FBI? Because we know that they’re very good at some of that stuff.

And so we share with them that.

Why did we give ours to our lab? Because it’s what we’ve done for years and our labs always done well.

In fact, we’ve used the FBI before.

They’re very good at solving things and doing things.

But the FBI, not not unlike our Department of Public Safety in Phoenix, they have a lab.

They could could have been used.

But we look at it as this.

If I use, for example, a state lab, DPS, or the federal lab, Quanico, you have to understand they have others using those labs too.

And so it really puts a lot of strain on them to prioritize those cases and do what they can with them.

where if I have my own lab or a contract lab, it allows me easier access to those cases that I think are important to us.

And I’m not talking this case.

I’m just talking cases in general.

We could build the lab, but that’s pretty expensive, too.

We just found that this lab we use is very good.

Were they in Florida at the time? I have no idea.

But I know that in today’s world of technology, reports are generated and sent out in in the flash of an eye, what we need to know is when we send something to a lab, can we get it back to us quickly? Can we have a rush order, if you will.

Well, sometimes I may be I want this now, but the FBI may say, well, we understand that, but New York has a crime.

LA has a crime, you know.

So, it’s about pro.

It’s not against the labs.

And so when this piece of evidence, we did what we normally do.

We sent it to the lab and we did that scene.

Then we went and did another scene when we did a search warrant on out in Rio Rico.

So all of that was gone.

Now we find a glove.

FBI says, “Well, we can send it to Quantico.

” And I said, “Well, you know what? Let’s keep it all in one place.

Let’s just send it all to our lab.

They’ll No, it’s not like no FBI’s got a bad lab or no, the sheriff’s department uses DNL.

there bad l no it is about keeping your evidence together in one spot and when that report comes out it goes to both agencies it just made sense in fact all of this conversation I had with you when they said oh the sheriff blocked evidence this conversation I had with the FBI lasted probably a minute and a half and they said makes sense sheriff and it was done there’s no blocking evidence or just crazy let me ask questions okay okay we we’ve seen the Um, we’ve seen the uh the photos from the surveillance camera in the front of the man.

Do you think there could be a second suspect? You saw what I saw.

We know he’s we know he is a bad dude.

He’s who we want.

Is there somebody else working with him? I I don’t know that.

We’ll we’ll know it when we find him.

The TMZ letters, I I’ve lost count of how many they’ve received.

TMZ, you know, they’ve been receiving these letters claiming that it’s from someone involved.

So yeah, the ransoms type things or those kinds of letters.

And I know FBI is investigating that part, right? Correct.

But do you think they’re legit? Because it seems like every day they’re on TV letter.

Again, you want to go to your experts, right? It would be irresponsible for me to give my opinion on something that we’ve given to the FBI to look into.

That’s their that’s their bail.

We’ll let them handle that.

And the search warrants, we saw the one in Rio Rico and then we saw the one close to I think two miles from NY’s house on Friday night.

Do does that mean that you all believe the suspect could be close? Because it seems like the action we’re seeing so far is right in the Tucson area.

So how those develop is this and you may see it today.

It may not be anything today.

You may see five of them today.

But what happens is this.

We have 400 investigators out there from all agencies, not just in this valley, the 10 different law enforcement agencies, but some from Phoenix and FBI from across the country.

and they’re out there shaking down leads, 40ome thousand leads.

Every morning they get up and they’re working 24/7.

So they start with a little lead and they’re told to go check on this and that lead develops and as they move through it, it grows and grows like a snowball just getting bigger and bigger to a point where they go, you know what, I think we’ve developed a person of interest.

I think we’ve got something here that maybe we need to go back and brief on.

So they come back in and they talk to the command post who has who was there US attorney, county attorneys, different law, the people behind different areas of law who sit back and discuss it and say, you know what, maybe there’s enough here for a search warrant.

Maybe we got to get petition for physical characteristics.

Maybe that characteristic is a photo.

Maybe it’s buckle sales.

Maybe it’s finger.

whatever it is and we present it to a judge and a judge says, “Yeah, I think here’s enough.

” He signs it.

That’s how that snowballs and everybody’s energetic and they’re so enthus I wish you could see the face of the young men and women out there who are working these and all the energy because it’s what happens in investigations, particularly bigger investigations where they’re so excited, so excited probably like you are.

We’ve got a good we’re going to and then it falls through.

It’s not the person.

NY’s not at that house.

But that’s part of the es and flows of an investigation.

You’re gonna have to highs and lows.

So for me, that’s why it’s important that I dispel some of the things that are out there so my team knows that no, no, no, no.

They’re solid team.

This is a team who solves crime every day.

They are my experts.

I would be silly to not listen to them.

When they tell me, “We spent 20ome hours at this scene.

We processed this scene.

” I’m taking their word that they’re good.

I don’t need to hear from some pundit out there who’s never done a crime scene.

I don’t need to hear from somebody who’s never done a criminal investigation.

I’ve got experts.

That’s who I choose to listen to.

Just like the noise in the background, the critics who want to run for office.

Good.

Go do that stuff.

I just want to find Nancy.

I want my team focused every morning when they hit that low that they know that they have someone who believes in them and their work.

They’re going to do it.

I have 100% faith.

They will solve this case.

If you’re the guy, if you’re that monster, you should be worried.

You should let her go.

Just let her go.

Are you getting closer? I think we are.

I think we are.

But I have to have that belief, right? I have to have that faith every day.

We’ll keep at it.

We didn’t quit.

Appreciate the sheriff for making the time to talk with me.

Again, I know he’s done a lot of media interviews.

Um, and uh, I was glad that I was able to get one of them today.

Uh, and that was on NewsNation, of course.

Um, and uh, hopefully I’ll get more opportunities to talk to him in the future.

Um, because like I told him, you know, there were some things that he didn’t like about some of my reporting.

And, you know, I always want to get both sides.

So, I’m happy to have him respond to what some of the some people are saying about, you know, being crit critical of his uh, sort of um, the way he’s been handling the case.

And, you know, I always like to get both sides.

So, hopefully I’ll get more opportunities to interview him.

Um, I want to go back to what I was telling you guys about the DNA and the fact that the FBI says that there were no links in Cotus.

What I found particularly interesting about that is that the FBI told us that.

I mean, why would they give us a small update like that? Why would they need to tell the public and the media that there were no specific links in in Cotus? Uh, I went to my, um, friend uh, retired FBI agent Steve Moore to talk to him about that and some of the other updates that came today in the case.

I’m joined now by Steve Moore, a retired FBI agent.

It’s nice to see you, Steve.

It’s always good good to chat with you.

Um, first of all, I wanted to ask you, the sheriff is is now saying that they put the DNA from the gloves that were found about 2 miles from Nancy Guthri’s house into the COD system finally, and that there was no match and that all of the DNA they put in so far, apparently there there have been no matches.

Uh, what do you make of that? Does that surprise you? I mean, because it, you know, it seems like bad news.

Well, it it doesn’t [clears throat] excuse me.

It doesn’t surprise me.

It disappoints me a little bit, but uh COD, you know, is is kind of a new thing uh relatively.

I mean, it’s not like fingerprints that have been around for, you know, over a hundred years.

Um so what the problem is that uh every state like when you get arrested when a per not you when a person gets arrested, you’ve you’ve seen it.

It’s standard.

They fingerprint, they send it off.

Everybody’s got fingerprints in there.

You get it for passports.

You get Everybody’s got fingerprints on file.

Hardly anybody’s got uh DNA on file.

And uh right now, every arresty in every 50 state or every one of the 50 states do not immediately get put in COTUS.

Um and so you know there are crimes in all of the 50 states for which you will get um your DNA popped in the COTUS database but only on conviction for some of them.

Although Arizona as soon as you’re arrested for a felony uh it’s my understanding that they will uh get a DNA swab with your fingerprinting and send it to Cotus.

So these would just be people who have been arrested who are in this database predominantly.

I mean [clears throat] DNA is not something that they use for any other purpose.

You know like fingerprints they use to identify you for passports or things like that uh or even sometimes um just a document and getting it certified.

So um DNA is only a criminal database at this point.

So, you remember, Steve, that yesterday the sheriff put out this statement, you know, vehemently denying that the Guthri had anything to do with uh they were cleared.

He used the word cleared the siblings and their spouses.

So, they put out another statement today where they talked about this code develop development, but then they also included a section about the Guthrie family and they said in criminal investigations, evidence is examined to either build a case or clear individuals.

At this point in the investigation, the Guthrie family, including siblings and spouses, has not been identified as suspects.

What I thought was interesting is they’re saying at this point in the investigation where yesterday they were just more vague.

Um, what do you make in just in general of the sheriff, you know, clearly saying that they’ve been cleared.

Is that unusual? Yeah, it’s it’s very unusual and probably had to do a lot with social media where people are actually going out there and and naming names and doing stuff like that.

What um what’s interesting to me is he said they were cleared and then they had to walk that back a little bit and say they’re not suspects at this time.

Um when you say something somebody is cleared.

Um first of all, you have to know a lot about the crime.

Uh you know, it’s kind of like um say if you had a crime and you didn’t know the actual time of the crime, then anybody’s alibi is useless to you.

So you can’t say ah you know they’re cleared by their alibi.

In the same way with this case even though we know time we don’t know a lot case um at least the public doesn’t.

[clears throat] So I couldn’t understand how they had enough information to clear them.

Now if you tell me that right now they’re not suspects.

[clears throat] Uh that I can understand.

Excuse me.

I’m sorry.

But um that doesn’t mean technically that they couldn’t be down the road.

Um I think what the sheriff is saying that is that he doesn’t believe they had anything to do with this.

And that’s as close as he can come to to clearing them uh functionally.

And I want to go back.

There’s something else I thought of with Cotis uh that I wanted to ask you about that I was thinking of you earlier.

Is it unusual that the FBI is giving these updates saying, “Oh, we tested it and it’s not in Kodus like they’re g would they normally be giving us such a specific update and then the thing it made me think of is could it mean that they are closing in on someone and they don’t want that person to realize that?” Yeah, that’s very very good possibility and yes, it is highly unusual.

Those are the kind of uh uh that’s the kind of information that you instead of sending to the public, you post up to your supervisor and say, you know, giving him updates on the case daily for the FBI to be doing this uh is extraordinary in in my opinion.

And two reason, two potential reasons for this is one, as we’ve discussed before, the sheriff has has uh a bigger dog in this fight than the FBI does.

This is his community.

He has to live here.

he has to uh get reelected here and so he may have negotiated some kind of uh agreement where the FBI or he could provide more information.

But on the other hand, society has changed since I joined the FBI and since I retired.

things are things are rapidly um moving into the point where everybody has as as I said on one of the other broadcasts their own home version of the game and they are all playing and they are all talking to each other about it and the the world now in absence of information will create reality and so I think what the FBI is trying to do is keep the dust down a little bit on that and I think what you’re seeing here and go back in 10 years.

Tell me if I’m wrong, but I think this is a change, a sea change in law enforcement where you can’t just ignore the public and do your job anymore because they’re not patient enough to wait for it.

We confirmed yesterday, Steve, that the FBI was going to gun stores in Tucson with a list of 40 names and also 40 photos and asking employees to run the name, see if they had done any business there, and if they recognized the people.

And the first thing I thought of was like, wow, 40 40 names.

Does that mean that those are 40 people who they think could be involved? Yeah.

Yeah.

at well it could be that uh two or three of them are are stiffed in there and they know it’s not those persons.

You don’t want to give somebody a u uh set of photos and they can’t help but pick somebody uh who who is guilty of something.

Um so occasionally you will put somebody in there in a photos uh that is not uh involved but usually that’s for photo IDs.

Um, it could be that there are 40.

And it goes back to what I’ve been the FBI has not been sitting around the phone saying, “Ah, I can’t wait for that tip to come in.

” You know, pick up the phone every time it rings.

No, the FBI is investigating this case with what they’ve got.

And uh, while the number 40 is a big number and kind of surprises me, um, I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have blinked at 10 to 20.

Um, so this tells me that there’s a lot of work going on and that there are 40 people uh right now potentially who they have not been able to clear that they have not been able to determine are not involved and have some u something about them or um their actions that indic that gives the FBI pause.

Anything I’m missing, Alison, that’s new over the last day? Yes, we haven’t had them clear any of the suspects, any of the people that were detained.

We just had them released.

We also um have them looking for a gun.

So, that’s another lead.

It looks like there’s a lot more going on.

I think you should say something about that because it’s sounding like there isn’t, but there is a lot more going on um than uh than I think that we even know.

I mean the for what you reported yesterday was totally new, but clearly that gun, you know, they looked at the gun.

They’re probably looking for the holster, too.

Let let Steve address like what leads he’s looking we’re looking at.

So, we have just sort of a list.

Yeah.

I mean, what other leads do you think that they’re looking at right now? I mean, we obviously know that they were going to the gun stores.

I mean, do you think the backpack they’re still trying to track down? Would it be the holster? Like, what else comes to mind for you? Yeah, the holster.

all the clothes he was wearing and everything I’ve seen so far, every piece of clothing that’s been identified has been something that’s sold at Walmart.

So, um I think right now, you know, they’re going to the gun stores with with the information that they have on the gun that they believe he was carrying.

Uh, and at the same time, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t uh 10 agents uh in Bentonville, Arkansas with their own little office uh going through all the digital uh sales records of uh Walmart to find one time where three or four of these uh you know, the backpack, the holster, the the coat uh were purchased all at once.

And once they find that, you know, it’s, you know, it’s going to move fast.

And the sheriff said today clearly that the the the search the federal search warrant from Friday night, those people were detained.

There were no arrests.

They’ve all been released.

Uh but he said that investigation is ongoing.

What do you think is happening behind the scenes still in relation to that? They haven’t told us why they hit that place, but the fact that they hit it with an evidence response team means to me that that it was a uh that they believed that that that location was involved in the uh crime.

Uh whether or not it is or is not uh they have not discussed, but they are not uh saying that it’s not, which is significant.

when you go to somebody’s house and you know people know the address and uh people online are are making uh um uh posting people’s names and stuff like that.

It would behoove the FBI to uh say this was this was not involved in the crime.

We have determined that.

They haven’t said that which uh leads me to believe that uh there was something that that they were searching for and they either found it or uh they are not convinced that it’s uh not going to be there.

There’s also a Range Rover that they towed away, which I guess they’re still processing at this point.

Yeah.

And and if they’re still processing that three or four days later, um it’s either uh they’re processing the heck out of that thing um and and tearing it apart um or they found what they wanted and they’re not going to release that back to the uh to the people who owned it.

I think the fact that they still have that uh is significant and and if they don’t let it go in the next few days, uh I think we can assume that that’s now evidence and if they know a car, they’ve got uh they’ve got just about everything.

I I would say that uh you know, with all the evidence coming uh coming together, I think we’re we’re getting so close.

I I thought the glove itself was kind of a a hail mary and I don’t think that’s uh I’m not surprised that that hasn’t come through for them, but I don’t think they’re depending on that.

I think if that was their number one piece of evidence, they wouldn’t have talked about it publicly.

As always, I really appreciate Steve for making the time to talk to me.

Um and I appreciate you guys for watching.

It’s kind of been a long day today.

you know, I had the interview scheduled with the sheriff, then they cancelled uh and I kind of was working on some other things and then later in the day they said, “Oh, no, you can actually do the interview with the sheriff.

” So, I had to kind of rush back over here.

Uh but again, I’m glad I got that opportunity.

Um and uh I’ll be sure to stay on top of everything.

I’m not sure what to plan for tomorrow.

Um but yeah, if I seem a little out of it, it’s cuz again, I just I think today was just a day.

Uh but uh I will keep you guys posted.

Again, I appreciate you guys for for following along, for subscribing, and uh I’ll talk to you guys later.