that easily.

But like right there is a gate to get into the backyard.

This is the back side of NY’s house here.

Um, so [clears throat] there’s this so there’s this little patio in the back which we’ve seen from the drone.

For 60 days, everyone has been looking at the front of Nancy Guthri’s house, the doorbell camera, the front porch, the blood on the step, the iron security gate, the figure in the ski mask tapping the lens at 1:47 in the morning.

That is where the footage is.

That is where the investigation has been anchored.

That is what the country has been studying frame by frame since February 1st.

Until this information [music] reveal this week, something changed.

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A journalist named Brian Anton flew back to Tucson, put a drone up behind NY’s property, and for the first time, the country got a clear look at the back of that house.

Thank you for meeting up with us, Bob.

Uh, no problem.

So, we’re at a neighbor’s house.

So, if you’ll just kind of lead the way.

Sure.

I just want to see how close we can get and show people um you know the people don’t really understand the terrain back behind NY’s house.

Mhm.

Apparently, this is now rattlesnake.

Yeah, they’re starting they’re starting to come out.

It’s a little early for them, but and you’ll see there’s pathways that a lot of neighbors put up.

This is usually just common area, common ground.

But we’re back here and you can’t even see her house necessarily.

There’s just so much brush in the trees and we’re probably 100 ft from it or so.

Let’s see.

My guess is So, do people generally come back here like in these neighborhoods? And what the drone revealed is not what most people assumed was there.

Not sliding glass doors opening onto a desert patio.

Three separate doors, two connected directly to the house, one near the garage.

Regular wooden doors with pane glass windows on top sitting at the edge of terrain that a former Puma County SWAT commander, a man who spent nearly three decades in that desert, described as some of the most difficult ground he has ever tried to move through.

Terrain so dense and disorienting that he lost his sense of direction within seconds of entering it.

And Savannah Guthrie told the country that when Annie and Tomaso arrived at that house on the morning of February 1st, those back doors were propped open.

Not unlocked, not a jar.

Propped open, deliberately held open.

Left that way on purpose by someone who had a reason to need them that way.

Today, we are going behind that house for the first time with the professional assessment of someone who knows exactly what that terrain means operationally.

And what we find there does not just answer questions about how Nancy was taken.

It raises a question about this operation that this investigation has never publicly confronted.

The back doors were the entry.

The front door was the exit.

Someone planned both.

And someone who plans an ingress and egress operation through a property in the dark at 2:00 in the morning knows that property.

They have been inside it.

They know the layout.

They know which door leads to which part of the house and which route through the interior gets you from the back entrance to the front exit without getting lost in the dark.

That level of operational knowledge does not come from looking at a house from the street.

It comes from being inside it many times over many years.

Before we proceed, I want you to leave whatever you are doing right now and drop a prayer of faith for Nancy Guthrie.

Your prayers might be the key to bringing her home.

Amen.

Because we know the back doors were propped open according to Savannah.

Is there any I’m just Is there any way you think they could have brought Nancy out this back way? It seems kind of impossible.

No.

Is it is possible? Yes.

Highly improbable.

Just based on her size and the weight and carrying someone getting over walls just you saw everywhere.

Yeah.

You saw difficult just for us to walk through by ourselves.

Imagine trying to carry someone either by yourself or with the help of somebody.

Um it’s not easy.

And uh so I don’t I don’t think the back way was would be would be practical at all and it’s not it’s not going to be quick and it’s going to be loud.

Yeah.

You’re going to get you’re going to get more attention at 1:00 in the morning in an area like this than you are walking up to someone’s front door here.

There was one the dogs at this house nearby and and the owners were telling me that around the time that Nancy disappeared, the dogs wanted to go outside.

Have you heard about this? I have not.

and they were looking in the direction of NY’s house and they never wake up in the middle of the night.

It it would make sense.

My dogs, you know, if someone walks, we I live in a very similar neighborhood kind of geographically like this and if someone’s walking or even in the area, they do the same thing.

So, you know, it’s it’s it’s usually very quiet.

So, the littlest thing on a lot of dogs, they’re going to alert to it, you know, and we’ve used that, you know, officers use that.

If you’re chasing someone through an area like this, you stop and you listen.

And if the dog’s over there barking, I’m going that way because that’s probably where the people are going.

So, it would make sense.

Before this week, almost everyone covering this case assumed NY’s back doors were sliding glass.

It is a reasonable assumption for a desert home of that era.

A patio, a view of the mountains, sliding glass panels opening onto an outdoor living space.

That assumption shaped how people visualized the back of the property.

It shaped the theories about how entry was made and it was wrong.

The drone footage changes the picture completely.

Three separate doors on the back of Nancy Guthri’s house.

Two of them connecting directly to the interior of the home.

One positioned near the garage.

Each one a regular door with pane glass windows set into the top half of the frame.

Not sliding panels that glide open quietly.

hinged doors that open outward into the desert darkness.

Doors that can be propped open with something placed against them.

In doors that when propped stay open and stay accessible whether you are inside the house or outside it.

Now think about what Savannah said.

The doors plural were propped open when Annie and Tomaso arrived that morning.

Not one door found a jar.

Not one door that swung open because a latch did not catch.

Multiple doors propped, deliberately held in the open position.

And the first thing Annie’s mind went to was that maybe paramedics had come in the night.

That maybe Nancy had a medical episode and someone with a stretcher had used the back entrance.

Because that is the only explanation that made sense to a daughter who had not yet understood what she was actually looking at.

What she was actually looking at was the preparation for an operation.

And the back doors were propped open because someone made a decision before they arrived that those doors needed to stay open during whatever happened inside that house.

And that decision, like every other decision documented in this operation, was not made by someone improvising in the dark.

It was made by someone who understood the property, who had thought through the entry and the exit, and who had reduced every variable they could reduce before the night of February first arrived.

A former Puma County SWAT commander named Bob Kroger walked that terrain this week and gave the most precise professional assessment of the back of that property that this investigation has produced.

you see like unless you know exactly where you’re coming and going you’re you already kind of have you’ve probably already lost your sense of direction.

I have um in just a few seconds back here.

So, you know, you use things like telephone poles and things like that.

Um but really these open areas just butt up to the the backs of houses.

So, if anyone’s ever back here, you’re going to get a lot of dogs alerting and you’re going to have to really probably shoot through someone’s yard.

So, it’s not like a lot of normal like back east areas where you have alleyways and it’s kind of common.

So, [laughter] no one would normally come out.

No.

Huh.

Not at all.

So, I’m trying to remember ex She’s got a brick house.

I think that actually might be right there.

No, that’s not it.

Yeah.

See, even you’re confused.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I think it’s this way.

I think we should follow the poles.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, cuz when I was looking at the drone, we’re actually not as close as it feels.

Okay.

Um, Kroger spent nearly three decades with the Puma County Sheriff’s Department.

He has worked desert operations, SWAT callouts, fugitive searches, and and missing person’s cases in terrain identical to what sits behind Nancy Guthri’s house.

He knows this desert not from a satellite image, but from years of moving through it on foot in conditions that most people never experience.

And what he said about the back of that property is the clearest statement of operational reality this case has heard.

Within seconds of entering the terrain behind NY’s house, Kroger lost his sense of direction.

A man who spent his career moving through desert environments, who led SWAT operations in this exact geographic area, who knows Tucson’s terrain the way most people know their own neighborhoods, lost his bearings within moments of stepping into the brush behind a residential property in the Catalina foothills.

That is not a small detail and that is the single most important piece of information about the back of that property and what it means for the theory of how Nancy was moved.

The terrain is not what you see from the road.

From the front of the neighborhood, from the street, from any camera angle that surveillance equipment covers, the Catalina foothills looks like a quiet, well-maintained desert residential area.

large lots, established vegetation, privacy and beauty in every direction.

What it looks like from inside the brush behind those houses is entirely different.

Dense vegetation that has been growing for 60 years in some cases.

Cactus with thorns that tear through clothing and skin.

Rocky ground that shifts underfoot without warning.

Visibility that drops to almost nothing once you are more than 20 ft inside the natural cover.

and rattlesnakes that are active and moving as the season warms.

Kroger’s assessment of whether suspects could have moved Nancy through that terrain and out the back of the property was direct and professional.

This would also show you that if someone used it back here, they would have had to come out a couple times.

They would had to be real familiar with wherever they parked to get through here to get back to wherever they parked.

Y and the streets like that we’re on now.

Um again, not easy to get out of the neighborhood.

So, just a little more.

I think we’re actually So So this is her right here.

Yep.

So let’s see.

It’s like right there, I think, isn’t it? Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

This This actually I think might be Oh, yeah.

This is This is the house that CBS was using.

Okay.

So now I know exactly where we are.

Does your gut tell you? He said it is highly improbable.

Not impossible.

Highly improbable.

The reasons he gave are specific and they deserve to be understood precisely.

First, at night, even a person who knows the terrain well is going to struggle to navigate it safely and quietly.

The noise alone, branches, rocks, the unavoidable crunch and snap of desert brush underfoot would alert dogs in every property along the route.

And in an established neighborhood like the Catalina foothills where the houses are set back from the road and the lots are large and the residents have lived there for decades, every dog knows every normal sound.

I anything that does not belong alerts immediately.

Second, the physical task of moving a person through that terrain is not manageable for any reasonable number of people under any reasonable time pressure.

Nancy Guthrie weighs approximately 150 lb.

She cannot walk.

She was in her pajamas with no shoes.

She would need to be carried.

And carrying dead weight of that size through thorns, over rocks, through brush that fights back at every step in total darkness, while managing the noise and the direction and the time.

Kroger said plainly that it is not something you could do quickly or quietly.

It would draw attention.

It would leave traces and there is simply no practical exit from that property in that direction with a person who cannot move under their own power.

But third, and this is the point that connects all of it to the front door and the blood.

The dogs in the neighboring property woke up that night.

They were staring toward NY’s house at the time the cameras went offline.

In Kroger’s experience, dogs alerting in a quiet neighborhood at 2:00 in the morning are pointing at exactly what they detect.

Someone moving, something disturbing the silence.

And those dogs were pointing toward the front of the property.

Not the back, not the wash, the direction of NY’s front entrance, the direction of the blood, the direction where the figure on the doorbell camera was standing, the direction from which Nancy Guthrie was carried out into the desert night.

The back doors were the entry point.

The front door was the exit.

Uh, that is the professional assessment of a man who spent three decades in Puma County law enforcement and who walked that ground this week with his own feet.

The operation moved in through the back, through the house, and out the front.

And the blood on the front porch is not the beginning of the story.

It is the end of the interior chapter and the beginning of whatever happened after Nancy left her home.

Now to the doors themselves because the specific detail of how those doors were left, propped open, not just unlocked, not just a jar, but deliberately held in the open position tells us something precise about the planning that went into this operation.

Kroger explained exactly why you would prop a door open during an operation like this.

And the reasoning is operational, not careless.

And when you enter a property through the back and your plan requires you to exit through the front, the last thing you want is a door closing behind you that autolocks.

A door that closes and locks means your exit route has changed.

It means if something goes wrong inside the house and you need to move quickly back the way you came, you cannot.

It means your egress planning has been compromised by a mechanism you did not account for.

So you prop it open.

You place something against it before you go in.

You ensure that the route you entered from stays accessible for the full duration of whatever you are doing inside.

That is not the behavior of someone who broke in impulsively.

It is not the behavior of someone who found a door unlocked and decided in the moment to take an opportunity.

Propping a door open is preparation.

It it is the kind of detail you think about in advance, not the kind of detail that occurs to you in the moment.

It means that before they entered that house, before they moved through the interior, before they reached NY’s bedroom, someone had already thought through the ingress and the egress and had taken a specific physical action to control both.

And then those doors were still propped open when Annie and Tomaso arrived at dawn.

They did not close them on the way out.

The operation exited through the front, and there was no return through the back.

The doors stayed open because nobody went back through them.

And the fact that Annie arrived and found them propped hours after the operation had ended is confirmation that the people who moved through that house did not come back to clean up.

And they left with Nancy through the front and they did not return.

Now, think about what that tells us about the layout of that house.

To move from the back entry through the interior of a dark house at 2 in the morning and exit cleanly through the front door carrying a 150lb woman, you need to know where you are going.

You need to know which door leads to which room.

You need to know the path from the back of the house to the front without turning on lights, without making noise that would wake neighbors, without getting disoriented in an unfamiliar interior in the dark.

You need to know that house.

Not from a photograph, not from a Google Maps satellite view, from being inside it, from walking that same path in the light over and over until the interior is encoded in your body the way familiar spaces become encoded through repetition.

20 years of Saturday night dinners.

20 years of driving Nancy home and walking her to the door.

20 years of moving through that house as a family member for whom the back entrance and the front entrance and the path between them would have been as familiar as the layout of his own home 4 miles away.

Tomaso Chioni has been officially cleared as a suspect by the Puma County Sheriff’s Department.

That clearance is on the record and it belongs in every analysis of this case.

No member of the Guthrie family has been charged with any crime.

None of them have been named suspects by any law enforcement agency.

Those facts are stated clearly and they stand.

And the question of who knew that specific property well enough to plan a back entry front exit operation in the dark at 2 in the morning.

Who knew the interior layout from memory? Who knew which doors were where and what the path between them looked like? That question does not go away because a press conference was held.

It goes deeper with every new forensic detail that confirms how precisely this operation was executed.

One of the most revealing moments in the on the ground reporting this week was not about the doors or the terrain or the forensic analysis.

It was about the cameras.

Kroger pointed out while walking with Anton that the cameras on the neighboring houses, the ring systems, the residential security equipment that law enforcement has been analyzing for 58 days are blocked by the brush.

The vegetation that surrounds these properties is so dense that camera angles that appear to cover a wide area when you look at them on a map or on a screen are in reality blocked by 60 years of desert growth that sits between the lens and the view.

That observation reframes every conclusion drawn from the absence of footage behind NY’s house.

It is not just that no camera was pointed at the back of her property.

It it is that even cameras pointed in the general direction of her property may have captured nothing because the brush between the lens and the subject is too thick to see through.

The coverage that looked comprehensive from above, from the kind of top-down view that investigators use when mapping a neighborhood was not comprehensive at all from the ground where the vegetation lives and grows and blocks every angle that the satellite image does not show.

Kroger said something near the end of the walkthrough that deserves to sit with this audience longer than the conversation around it has allowed.

He was asked whether he still believes the case will be solved.

His answer was yes.

Absolutely.

But then he said something that carries a weight that the simple yes does not.

Do you still have faith it’ll be solved? Yes.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Dude, I keep saying as a retired law enforcement, it’s going to be solved.

It might not be solved for a year, uh, two years, five years, 10 years, but it will be solved.

There there’s no doubt about that.

Um, unfortunately, so time just, uh, keeps ticking.

Hopefully, it’s sooner rather than later.

Um, so whoever did it can get the justice, the family can get the justice that they deserve and, uh, we’ll go from there.

Anything else, Bob, you think is it out there? You know, and also remembering that, you know, this is unique because of who Savannah is and there’s other folks who are going through this, you [snorts] know, and and I’m sure that there are families who are sitting there thinking, how come my family doesn’t get this? And, you know, I can say as much as I can say that I do know that the sheriff’s department does give that same amount of effort to everybody.

You know, this is such a unique type of case where someone has disappeared in this manner for this long with this little information.

Um, but we we they have worked cases like this where weeks and months later they find people across the country or elsewhere.

So, you know, don’t think that the normal person isn’t getting the same type of police work cuz they really are.

He said it might not be solved for a year or 2 years or 5 years or 10 years, but it will be solved.

There is no doubt about that.

and a man who spent nearly three decades with the Puma County Sheriff’s Department, who has worked cases in this jurisdiction, who knows how investigations move and stall and move again, who understands the institutional machinery of the department that is managing this case, chose not to say this will be solved soon.

He chose not to say the DNA will close it in the next few weeks.

He said a year, 2 years, 5 years, 10 years.

And then he said it will be solved.

Not possibly will come back to the front porch.

They because that is where NY’s story ends inside her home and where the next chapter of this investigation has to begin.

The blood on that step is NY’s confirmed.

It is not the blood of someone who was standing there voluntarily.

It is the blood of a woman who was being moved against her will through her own front door at 2:00 in the morning.

A woman in her pajamas with no shoes.

A woman who could barely walk to her mailbox on a good day.

A woman who was, according to the professional assessment of a former SWAT commander who has spent his career understanding how bodies move under physical stress, carried out of that house.

not walked, not assisted, carried, restrained inside, and then physically transported through her own front door and away from the property in a vehicle that has still not been publicly confirmed.

And the blood pattern on that porch has been analyzed by a boardcertified blood stain pattern expert who identified what appears to be a footwear impression in it.

Not NY’s footprint.

She had no shoes, someone else’s.

the shape of a soul pressed into blood on the step of an 84year-old woman’s home at 2 in the morning.

That impression is a forensic artifact.

It is the physical trace of a person standing in blood they did not create.

Standing in it deliberately or carelessly while the operation they had planned for weeks reached its final moment before Nancy left her home for the last time.

The doorbell camera was physically removed from its mount on that same porch.

not disabled remotely, not disrupted by an electronic device, physically yanked off the wall by a hand that reached up and pulled it down.

And that physical act, that deliberate removal of a camera from its mount, happened after the person on the porch had already been standing there.

It happened after they had already tapped the lens twice with the casual confidence of someone who had touched that camera before.

It happened as part of a sequence of actions that the FBI has been studying from every angle for 58 days.

And that a drone flying behind the house this week has now placed in a completely new geographic context.

Back entry, front exit, camera removed, blood on the step, doors left propped open.

Nancy carried out in her pajamas.

These are not theories.

Now, these are the documented forensic facts of February 1st, 2026.

assembled in the order that the professional on the ground assessment of a former Puma County SWAT commander and the drone footage of the back of that house now make possible to understand completely for the first time.

There is one more thing that the drone footage revealed this week that has not received the attention it deserves.

The size of this neighborhood.

The distance between properties.

The way the houses sit back from the road behind established vegetation that in many cases completely obscures them from any street-facing camera.

From above, this neighborhood looks like a collection of properties connected by roads and pathways.

From the ground, from inside the brush where Bob Kroger lost his sense of direction in seconds, it looks like an environment specifically designed to prevent observation.

Kroger made an observation that connects the geography of this neighborhood to the planning of this crime in a way that has not been stated this clearly before.

He said that in a neighborhood like this shall with this kind of established vegetation and these lot sizes and this level of natural privacy, a person who knows the area has a significant advantage over a person who does not.

The familiarity is not just directional.

Knowing which road leads where.

It is operational.

Knowing which camera angles are blocked by which trees.

Knowing which houses have dogs that will alert and which side of a property those dogs face.

Knowing at what hour the neighborhood goes completely silent and how long that window lasts before the first morning activity begins.

knowing the exact route from a backyard to a front door through a dark interior that you have walked dozens of times in the light.

That operational familiarity is what separates this crime from an opportunistic burglary.

Though opportunistic burglars pick targets based on visible vulnerability, an unlocked car, a dark house, a property that looks unoccupied.

They do not plan ingress through a back door they have already identified, egress through a front door they have already mapped, camera disabling at a specific entrance point, and an interior route through a dark house that they execute without hesitation at 2 in the morning.

All of that requires knowledge that only comes from time spent in a place.

repeated presence.

The kind of access that builds a mental map so detailed it functions under pressure in the dark.

And the back of Nancy Guthri’s house, the three doors, the pain glass windows, the desert terrain behind the property, like the brush so thick that the house disappears from view 100 ft away, was apparently never seen clearly by most people covering this case until a drone went up this week.

If the people who planned this crime knew the back of that property better than most of the country did 58 days into the investigation, that tells you something about the nature of their access.

Not surveillance access, not research access, the access of someone for whom the back of that property was as familiar as their own backyard.

Nancy Guthrie has been missing for 58 days.

Her family cannot grieve.

They can only wait.

Savannah is returning to the Today Show.

Annie and Tomaso have been cleared.

Uh, the investigation continues behind closed doors in a federal building in Tucson where four detectives and a sergeant work this case and only this case every day.

The DNA is being processed.

The genealogy is building family trees.

The cell tower data is being cross-referenced.

The forensic threads are moving whether anyone is paying attention or not.

And on a Tuesday morning this week, a journalist put a drone up behind an 84year-old woman’s house in the Catalina foothills.

And for the first time, the country saw what the back of that property actually looks like.

Three doors, dense brush, rattlesnakes, and thorns and terrain so difficult that a former SWAT commander lost his sense of direction in seconds.

And and the professional conclusion of that same SWAT commander, the man who knows this desert better than almost anyone, was that the back was where they came in and the front was where they took her out.

The back doors were propped open.

Nancy was carried out the front.

The blood is on the step.

The camera was yanked from the wall.

And somewhere between the back entrance of that house and wherever Nancy is right now is the full story of February 1st, 2026.

A story that the forensic science is still working toward.

A story that the DNA will eventually tell.

A story that 58 days of one of the most watched investigations in recent memory has not yet fully resolved.

But a story that is getting closer to its answer with every piece of ground level evidence, every professional assessment, and every drone that goes up over a quiet desert neighborhood in Tucson, Arizona, and shows the country something it has never seen before.

Here is what I want you to think about after everything you have just seen and heard.

A former Puma County SWAT commander, nearly 30 years in this exact jurisdiction, in this exact terrain, walked behind Nancy Guthri’s house this week and said moving her out through the back would have been highly improbable.

Too loud, too slow, too many dogs alerting, too much terrain to fight through in the dark with a body.

He said the back was the entry and the front was the exit.

He said it with the confidence of someone who has spent decades making exactly these kinds of operational assessments in exactly this kind of environment.

So here is the question.

The the back doors were propped open not by accident, not by carelessness, but deliberately.

Someone propped those doors before they went in because they had thought through the ingress and the egress in advance.

Someone planned to enter through the back and exit through the front and took a specific physical action before the operation began to make sure that plan could be executed without interruption.

Who does that level of planning? Who knows a property well enough to execute a back entry front exit operation through a dark house at 2:00 in the morning without hesitation, without getting lost, without triggering a response that stopped them before they reached Nancy.

Bah who has been inside that house enough times that the layout from back door to front door is encoded in their body like a route they have walked a hundred times because they have.

And here is the thing that has been sitting underneath this investigation since the very first morning.

The back doors were still propped open when Annie and Tomaso arrived.

Still open hours later, which means nobody went back through them, which means the operation exited through the front and never returned.

Which means whatever happened to Nancy after she left that porch happened in a direction that has not yet been publicly confirmed.

In a vehicle, on a route, toward a destination, in a desert that is rugged and vast and full of terrain that a drone is only now beginning to show the country for the first time.

You have seen the footage.

I You have heard the professional assessment.

You have seen what the back of that property actually looks like and what it means for how this crime was executed.

Now, I want to know what you think, not what the official investigation has said, not what the press conferences have produced, what you, after 58 days of following this case, believe about what those propped doors tell us, about who knew that property well enough to plan this, about where Nancy is in a desert that looks very different from the ground than it does from above.

Drop your thoughts because this community has been ahead of the official narrative in this case from the beginning.

And the question of who opened those back doors and why has never been more important than it is right now.

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