Let’s bring in Raymond Carr, former FBI special agent and director of the Criminal Justice Institute at Wilmington University.

Uh Rey, given what we know at this point and what we just saw in Brian’s piece, how do you think they took Nancy out? It looks like going out the back you go into that rough terrain.

There’s no way you could carry an elderly woman through that.

I don’t think that the uh back door was uh an exit.

I think it was an entry.

You think that’s how they got in? I think that’s how additional individuals may have been let into the home where the one individual went in through the front.

But it’s it’s and I agree with the SWAT commander that they had to leave from the front of the home because of the blood that was found on the steps and on the porch.

There’s no doubt in my mind that she left from the front, but there were entries that people were going in from different parts of the home.

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So this would prove to you because there’s been lots of speculation that a single person could not have pulled this off.

Nancy was 84.

She was not able to move very well.

It would have been too much for one person to break into the home and carry her out.

Absolutely.

You know, I I listened to Savannah’s um interview again, and something that was very notable to me was the fact that she said her brother, who was military, was in the military and uh was was involved in intelligence, thought that uh his mother was kidnapped.

When I heard her say that, it uh raised a red flag to me that I thought, how did he come up with that idea? number one and number two what did he see and what did he hear that led him to believe that I think that’s very telling and the brother the for who is has a background in the military you say uh the brother said that right away like before um anybody had given a ransom note which happened a couple days later that is correct that is that is what I took from the interview that Savannah said the timing of Savannah’s interview may not be coincidental.

It comes almost exactly two months after NY’s disappearance.

You know, this is a case where we have so few clues or leads to the case.

Do you think was this just an interview that she did before she returned to work? It’s something she would have had to do to sort of address the tragic elephant in the room, so to speak, before going back on TV every single morning.

or do you think this was also done in conjunction with the FBI to spur more tips and information in the case? I definitely think it was done in in collaboration with the FBI.

She’s been very cooperative as her whole family has been and I think that she spoke with the FBI and it was kind of scripted of exactly what they want exactly the message they wanted to broadcast to everyone out here.

What struck what stuck out to you as being as as things that you thought I’ll bet she worked with the FBI on the wording of that? It wasn’t spontaneous.

The questions weren’t spontaneous.

Was almost like it was scripted like ask me this and I’ll tell you this.

So, it seemed it was u it was pretty after watching it several times.

That’s uh that’s how I feel it was.

Well, let’s hope it works.

Uh this case, this is a case where we desperately need, police desperately need, the FBI desperately needs uh some leads in the case.

This is the families offered a million dollars for information that hasn’t shaken loose anything.

Maybe finally it will.

It’s not about the number of tips that are coming in.

It’s finding that one tip, the quality that’s going to help.

Yeah, that’s going to help solve the case.

Yeah.

Raymond Carr, uh really appreciate your analysis.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

All right, coming up for us.

All right, we have some breaking news uh in Nancy Guthri’s disappearance.

A source close to the investigation is telling News Nation there were no signs of an assault inside of her home, that the inside of the house was actually clean.

They say certain rooms were immaculate.

That is actually the word that was used.

Uh this comes as we’re getting a new theory tied to the back doors of NY’s home.

Senior national correspondent Brian Enton back on the ground there in Tucson joins us live.

So Brian, let’s start uh with this these newest details saying that there were no signs of assault inside of the home.

Yeah, Nicole, this new information sort of uh makes sense with the big picture of what we know.

The source now confirming to us, a source very close to the investigation, uh that there were no signs of an assault inside Nancy Guthri’s home.

uh that um most of the rooms were described as immaculate.

So, the house is very very clean, which would make sense when you go back to what Savannah Guthrie said that when her sister and brother-in-law showed up, um they weren’t sure what happened.

She had basically just vanished at one point.

They even thought maybe like an ambulance had taken her away because uh you know, there was now, according to the source, nothing inside the house uh that appeared totally out of the ordinary.

I want to show you this though, Nicole.

Normally, when we uh talk to you, we’re in front of Nancy Guthri’s house.

We’re actually behind Nancy Guthriy’s house right now.

Very close.

This is the back side of her house that we’ve only seen from drone video up until now where the pool is, uh, where the back patio is.

I’m going to walk as close as we can get here, Nicole, just so you can kind of get an idea of what it looks uh, like back here.

Uh, this is Nancy Guthri’s pool.

And then underneath that overhang uh, to the left, you can see the white overhang.

Underneath that overhang, there are two doors uh, which we initially thought were sliding glass doors.

They are not sliding glass doors.

Now that we’ve been able to get a look, they’re just doors with panel windows in them.

Uh, and those are the doors that uh, Savannah Guthrie has said were propped open when the family arrived and realized that Nancy uh, was missing.

So, it’s interesting to get this close to the back of the home.

Nicole, obviously, we still don’t know.

Um, did the suspects come in through the back and then take Nancy out through the front? Uh, those are still questions that we know investigators are working through.

Nicole, a really interesting perspective there, Brian, uh, as these new details are coming in.

Brian Inon live for us there in Tucson.

Thank you.

I’m gonna ask the question I don’t want to ask, but it’s the one I keep getting plagued with.

Is NY’s abduction at risk of becoming a cold case.

Very debatable.

I want to bring in Brian Martin, who has spent his career as a detective solving cold cold cases, excuse me, including catching the killer of an 8-year-old girl almost 30 years after her murder.

We’re lucky to have him.

Brian, thanks for taking the time.

Is this a cold case or a risk of becoming a cold case? Uh well, first of all, thank you for having me on.

Uh I don’t believe that this is a cold case at this time.

We’re looking at 55 days, which it it seems like a really long time, but I think that there’s still a lot of good information out there that’s coming in.

I think there’s a lot of investigative techniques that are being used right now.

Uh there is uh we’re not at a point in this case I believe where things clues have dried up, information has dried up.

Uh I I think it’s still very viable active case to be worked.

The only way I’ll push back is you’re dealing with a very different kind of victim here.

84 years old, mobility issues.

We talked about at the very beginning of this in need of medication.

This limits also what an abductor abductors can do with somebody like this.

Does that change the analysis in terms of whether or not this is becoming a cold case? I mean, Savannah even said in her interview, they don’t have any answers.

They don’t know anything.

So, her age definitely is going to play a factor in uh in her in getting her home and getting her home safely hopefully.

But as far as investigative leads, there’s still there’s uh digital information from cell phones, cell towers, there’s surveillance video, there’s still a vast amount of tips that are coming in in this case, and there’s still DNA evidence uh potentially to be tested.

So, I think all these factor in and show this case is still very uh very viable and and still being worked actively.

Um, typically I would say a cold case is when leads and technology have all dried up and or you start hitting a several years into investigation.

Uh, let me ask you this.

I understand you going just back something that Savannah had mentioned.

She talked about the ransom notes.

She believes two of them have been real.

Maybe the other one’s not so much.

You believe they should be released to the public.

Why? Uh, as far as releasing those notes, I think that uh it is something to be considered.

I think that releasing those notes and showing uh the person who drafted those, showing their uh their penmanship, how they write, the verbiage in which they write, there’s a very real possibility that someone who knows that individual could recognize the writing or maybe they misspell, maybe they make a a letter in a certain way and that could be recognized and could provide a very vital lead in this case.

There there is something I have been wondering.

I keep talking about it.

I don’t want to forget about it.

We have been told that they found forensic material in the house and that it was sent off for possible genetic genealogy testing.

You know, you build the family tree, you see who might be connected.

It takes time because you not only do genetics, but you also do investigative work.

Is there a possibility, and they’ll not they won’t admit this, but we’ve seen it happen in other cases.

They have a suspect or suspects in mind that they’re surveilling right now, and they’re just waiting for that person to maybe discard a plate, discard a straw, pick it up, check it for testing, match it up to the forensic material in the house.

Is that possible? What’s happening? I believe that’s entirely possible.

Uh genetic genealogy is very very strong and as you stated there’s there’s work to be done.

You have to build out those trees.

You have to try to identify a suspect.

Uh it’ll give you a family lineage, but you still have to narrow down who that person could be as far as who your your suspect is.

And I would expect that if law enforcement has developed a suspect, they’re not going to tell us maybe right now.

They’re not going to tip their hand because that would uh potentially damage the case.

I thought Savannah’s uh interview was also interesting because she revealed certain things that we didn’t definitively know.

She talked about what her mother might have been wearing, right? Even saying that she was barefoot.

She talked about the back door being propped open.

These are details that haven’t been fully revealed.

some of which I wonder how how does she know this information and what does it tell you about what may have happened here because I if I’m correct I think I’m correct I don’t think law enforcement has even come forward and said there was forced entry at the house well obviously law enforce law enforcement’s communicating with the family uh I I do find it very interesting that uh she potentially uh left without without any shoes on and uh that there was force entry yeah no it’s it’s uh it’s another component to Brian Martin, thanks for taking the time.

Appreciate it.

It has now been 8 weeks since Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Arizona home.

There have been no arrests, no suspect named, and no confirmed leads on her whereabouts.

Another reward is now being offered to help bring the 84year-old home.

The president of Milwaukee’s Crimestoppers putting up a billboard uh and offering $100,000 of his own money to aid in the search.

Savannah Guthrie is now preparing for her return to the Today Show.

sharing some new details and emotional revelations during her first sitdown interview.

Senior correspondent Brian Inon has the very latest from Tucson.

There’s been so much focus on the front of Nancy Guthri’s house where the blood was.

Uh but many of the questions now are about the back of the house because Savannah Guthrie in her interview made very clear that doors plural were propped open in the back of the house.

Uh, we’re getting our closest look now at the back of Nancy Guthri’s house because we just put our drone up so that we could see exactly what these doors that Savannah was talking about look like.

Uh, the assumption was that perhaps they were sliding glass doors, but they’re not.

You see there’s one door under the overhang.

This is presumably one of the doors that was propped open.

And then there is another door on the back side of the house uh near the garage.

Uh, and again, Savannah used the the the word plural doors with an s on the end.

So, the assumption is that both of these doors were propped open uh when her sister Annie and her brother-in-law Tomaso showed up and realized that Nancy Guthrie uh was missing.

I met up with former Puma County uh SWAT commander Bob Kger to get a feel more for what the back of the house is like.

We’re back here and you can’t even see her house necessarily.

There’s just so much brush in the trees and we’re probably 100 ft from it or so and there’s no way they’re bringing her back this way, you know.

So, if they got there that way, they they clearly had to go out to the front.

But if they were propped open, obviously that was left for a reason.

Quick quick in and quick out, whichever whichever one it was.

So, still so many questions about how this went down, but but going back behind NY’s house, there’s an open area of terrain of desert.

It’s pretty clear it’d be very difficult to navigate that area in the night.

Back to you.

All right, Brian Inton, our thanks to you.

Everything about the Nancy Guthrie case is unprecedented.

I told you many times I’ve never covered anything like this.

And the abduction of a senior citizen, very rare.

Uh, under these circumstances, never.

And the fact that we’re seeing one of the most watched uh TV personalities, you know, an NBC Today morning show host living it out is unprecedented.

Today, Savannah Guthrie uh gave her first interview with details about what she’s dealing with and what they have learned that we hadn’t heard until now.

There was no wander off and the doors were popped open.

Yeah.

And there was blood on the front doorstep and the Ring camera had been yanked off.

her phone was there and her purse was there and all her things and it just didn’t make any sense.

Who took an 84 year old woman in the dead of night in her pajamas with no shoes without her medicine.

This little person.

When you talk about the cruel speculation, the whispers, the innuendo that it was somebody in your family, how did you weather that? It’s unbearable.

And it piles pain upon pain.

There are no words.

No one took better care of my mom than my sister and brother-in-law.

I believe the two notes that we received that we responded to Mhm.

I tend to believe those are real.

Really? Mhm.

I don’t know.

Yeah.

that it’s because she’s my mom and somebody thought, “Oh, that girl, that lady has money.

We can get make a quick buck.

” I mean, that would make sense, but we don’t know.

But yeah, that’s probably which is too much to bear to think that I brought this to her bedside that it’s because of me.

[snorts] And I just say I’m so sorry, Mommy.

I’m so sorry.

I got to tell you, I don’t know how to feel about this.

I mean, obviously, it just destroys your heart.

And at the same time, I and I know Savannah’s a pro and I know she’s surrounded by people and I have to assume that the people at NBC News uh know how careful and how fragile this all is.

Uh but I hope she follows the advice that I know that she has given to people over the years which is take care of yourself, lean on your family, lean on your friends, uh do everything you can to cope because this is all but impossible unless you put everything into it.

And it is so powerful and so searing and we’ve never really processed anything like this, you know, as as a as a country.

So, let’s discuss that.

News Nation senior national correspondent Brian Enton has been on this from jump for us, right? And I asked for Bill Carter to come in.

He’s been covering TV even longer than I have.

Uh, and he understands the history and the context.

Uh, fellas, thank you for coming, both of you.

Bill, uh, we’ve never seen an anchor uh, have to project their own personal pain uh, like this.

We’ve talked about people’s spouses, uh, their families, um, different illnesses, sure, but not something like this.

What does the moment mean to you? Well, it’s excruciating, clearly.

Um, I think what’s extraordinary about it is not just that it’s a television person, but it’s a television person who has a relationship with the audience that not all television people have.

You know, the Today Show has always been kind of about a family.

They try to create that impression that it’s a warm place to be that you’re comfortable there.

And I think people have gotten to know her.

They feel like they know her.

Nancy herself has been on the show.

She’s been on the show.

So, the audience kind of connects with her in a different way than I think a lot of other celebrities.

So, I think they really feel this.

I think it’s really deep and it’s you said it’s unprecedented and extraordinary for someone to have this outpouring of their own emotion like this which I think really touches people in a genuine way.

I think it’s absolutely real the connection that people have with her.

Yeah.

I I I think that’s it.

I think that’s it.

And you use an interesting word excruciating uh means literally the pain of the cross.

Okay.

to be crucified, which is what this is.

When it is your mother, when it is your family like this, it is literally having your heart torn out of you.

It is torture.

And I would have said, “No, I don’t buy the morning thing.

Everybody now sees the artificiality that we all see the transparency of TV.

It’s all phonies.

Everybody’s a phony.

” This ain’t phony.

This is a real family going through real pain.

And I got to tell you something, Brian, you were so diligent about this and so good.

And to hear Savannah Guthrie talk about the false allegations about her brother-in-law and how much it hurt her, it really made me realize that that was so much worse than we treated it in the moment because we treated it like we always do, Brian, which is people make stuff up, get stuff wrong.

It happens.

Everybody’s desperate to advance the story.

But this hits different now when you see someone from the business speaking the truth about how painful that is and you had no business doing it and you did it anyway for a moment of shine.

What does that mean to you as a reporter? Well, look, I think you know when you dive into the to the family, you realize that Annie and Tomaso live, you know, very close to Nancy, that Tomaso took care of her, uh, which Savannah has also mentioned and people had told me before.

So when you were inside the circle, uh it was just unbelievable that anyone on the outside would think that that they were responsible.

And even when they went out to the the memorial outside NY’s house together, and you know, I I think Savannah purposely stood between Annie and Tomaso and had her arm around Tomaso.

She’s trying to show people, look, you’re looking in the wrong places here.

Um and the other thing, Chris, is just you mentioned the emotion of it and watching her.

I mean, it’s just so unresolved.

I mean, so many people have kind of moved on from the story, but 54 days later and and the pain in her eyes is the same that we saw in the days afterwards when she made those videos.

I mean, it you can tell it’s excruciating in that it’s impossible for her to move on because she has no idea what happened and none of us do.

Uh it is the inscraability of it is maddening, right? Uh we all know the adage the anticipation of death the not knowing is the hardest part for families in this and there is something just so bizarre about it also bill that we don’t live it we cover it doesn’t happen to us and we’re doing the job now obviously Savannah hasn’t been covering this god forbid but I I actually believe that this will forever I believe as as as flighty as we are as fickle as we are.

Savannah touched something in people that is as real and fundamental to us as anything in our lives.

And I think that that will stay no matter what we learn about Nancy Guthrie or we don’t.

And I got to tell you when I when I really couldn’t take it anymore is when they talk about how they realize what they’re probably dealing with in this situation was too much for me because I wanted them I wanted them at least to believe there’s still a chance.

I want them to believe that.

I want that for them.

Um, I feel that this is different.

I don’t think this is just another one and that we’ll move on to the next.

And I think that Savannah has given people a gift by putting her pain to purpose and I hope it generates tips.

I hope it generates something meaningful.

But I also hope she knows what she did for people here.

Bill, do you think it will stand the test of time? I do.

I actually do.

And for the reasons I mentioned, I you know, you probably know her a little bit.

I I know her a little bit.

I think she’s a lovely person.

I think she’s not a person anybody sits at home and says, “Well, she’s a big celebrity.

I don’t identify.

” She’s just a person who’s lost her mother.

I mean, it’s that is incredibly painful.

I mean, that’s why it’s deep.

It’s deep.

It’s it’s in all of us, you know.

No one wants to conceive of their mother being in in a situation like this.

So I do think as long especially when it remains unresolved.

It’s unresolved for her and it’s unresolved for us and we don’t we don’t know what happened to this poor woman and what it’s done to this family.

It hurts us too.

We we don’t we don’t feel good about any of this.

It’s it’s something that disturbs our our normal course of events that somebody’s life was upended in this completely heartless and thoughtless and apparently pointless way.

Um I hear you.

I appreciate you.

Your words resonate and for the right reason.

Bill Carter, appreciate you.

Brian Anton, you’ve done great on this.

You did the job with respect.

You did it with honor.

And hopefully we’ll get a conclusion here that just shocks the conscience and that would be amazing.

But if not, I don’t know Savannah, but I’ll tell you what, I’ve never respected anybody in this business the way I respect her for how she is handling this in a way I know I could not.

Gentlemen, be well.

Thank you for watching.

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