Yeah.

To go over and then you maybe get into the other kids bedrooms.

Yeah, I mean that’s kind of over where that area would be.

And NY’s room’s over there, too.

So, there might be a little hallway, a small little narrow hallway that goes to two different doors, maybe.

You know, could be.

Yeah.

And I’m not sure.

Huh.

It’s a little tricky.

I can’t imagine any other bedrooms on on the right hand side of this floor plan, like near the kitchen and the garage.

I I feel like all bedrooms may be over on the left hand side of the house.

But if that’s the case, maybe um I can’t remember the ages that Annie and and Savannah were.

Maybe they shared a bedroom.

I mean, I think it has to be like this is garage, right? So, you can almost wipe this whole area off in terms of storage, right? Yeah.

And storage.

Garage and storage unit.

Kitchen and dining room is right in here, right? And kitchen and breakfast nook.

And then we just saw that um that larger Well, it’s weird, too.

When you awning, the awning is right.

It’s very tricky, right? Because that awning That’s crazy.

is that big window is right there.

Yeah.

And you know what’s weird is when you look back at the kitchen shot, this one I think that’s right next to this shot, right? Uh let’s see.

Um this one I think literally if you just slid about 2 feet down to the to the left cuz you’re you’re right at the arch, right? And you’re looking straight ahead at those windows underneath the the awning that you were talking about.

So it has directly to the right.

Let’s see if I can find the other one.

Well, Greg, go to the go to the roof.

Actually, the roof shot will help us because that fireplace is that fireplace is right there and then you’d be in the kitchen and maybe the garage isn’t both of those windows.

It’s hard to It’s hard to imagine that that fireplace Yeah.

kitchen could be awfully skinny.

I know.

That’s exactly the thought I was just having.

That’s why I was like it’s it is the house because you can see the layout everything in those images is correct.

It’s just trying to figure out like when you’re looking at the top of this what what is this little part right there that indents in.

So, does it mean that the door maybe is right there? And, you know, maybe, you know, it’s hard to it’s hard to say.

When I say door, I mean the one that goes to the garage could be you kind of have to get the the depth of the garage, I guess, and see how deep the the car goes, right? Like, there may not be a lot of space between the front and back wall of the garage.

Maybe we should look at the this again.

Oh, there it is.

There’s that little nook.

There’s that little that little indent.

Interesting.

you know, and they and it’s it’s hard because that that patio seems to be right there with that fireplace.

Mhm.

And so then that back patio.

So, let’s see if we can try to make sense of this because there’s this little opening here and that would that would be where the kitchen is supposed to be apparently.

Let’s see.

That little opening there.

Maybe maybe right there.

But that would mean the fireplace is right on the back side of that sink.

on the left hand side of the sink would be the fireplace.

Maybe there’s a pass through, you know, maybe that left side that’s out of the picture is a pass through into that little family room.

So, you’re all one room there.

Mhm.

It’s hard to tell.

I have struggled through this one.

It has to be though, just to the left of this, though, is where you can see those the three paneed um patio windows.

just to the left.

Like if you slid over, just strafed over to the left, you should be able to see that.

So there must be a wall.

Um or like I said, maybe not a wall, maybe a pass through, maybe just a bar counter.

And the bar counter, you’re already into this room.

Sure.

You know, like just right over here off to the right.

Yeah.

And the tile floor, look at the tile floor on the to the right of the um rug.

Is that the same kitchen tile floor right there? Uh let’s see.

Got to open that up again.

Yeah, it sort of has a similar look to it.

Let me It has a similar look.

If there are any architects watching or any designers, please in the comments tell Gray and me where we might be wrong because we have I’ll tell you what I stressed over the longest, Gray, was that door into the kitchen.

And I kept saying, if that’s the little blue door out to the backyard, this doesn’t make sense.

None of it makes sense.

It’s the one in the garage.

That’s why it makes sense.

It’s the door to the garage that none of us get to see unless the garage door is up and you peer under and then the the door has been replaced right there.

Yeah.

So that looks like a like last five or 10 year door there.

Yeah.

Can you zoom way out like to the farthest out on that? So go off to like zero in on the left hand side of the garage to the left of the wood pile.

over here.

Yeah.

Oh, wait.

What What do we see over to the left of the wood pile there? But to the left of the people, too.

Uh on the back wall inside of here.

Let’s see.

Yeah.

Go to the left of the wood pile and the back wall.

Like the back wall.

What are we seeing over there? I see it looks like some wheels or either weights or a wheel on the ground there.

What do you think? Is it just storage? Like it’s a it’s a brick wall next to a plaster wall, right? Mhm.

Yeah.

It’s just brick wall.

The same wall.

It looks like it’s made out of the same stuff that the garage is.

Was it indented, man? Maybe hard to tell.

Yeah.

So, that’s interesting.

That might answer the question that it might be like this.

You know, that that wall goes like this.

Mhm.

And the doors right here, not over here.

But then there’s not much room for a kitchen.

Yeah.

I mean, it could be, you know, be it’d be so great if we could look in and see where the windows are.

Yes.

Like if the wall right after the window, we could add a little bit more, but it’s very tricky.

It is.

It is pretty.

And by the way, we have no idea if there’s been huge renovations inside over the years, whether bedroom walls have been knocked down to make for a larger master.

We don’t know, you know, any of that.

It’s just we’re it’s what we did, I think, when um when the four kids were killed in Idaho.

We tried to figure out that floor plan.

It was so confusing and we had to do it with uh Zillow pictures, windows, shadows, uh staircases, you know, higher walls, lower walls, half walls, and then we finally kind of figured it out before they knocked it down.

I actually made an entire 3D model and I’m able to walk around in the house.

So on when I would do my show, I’d be able to look at the pictures and go, “Here’s where this one is.

There’s a there, you know, here’s where this one is.

” And walk through the whole thing, go upstairs into the different bedrooms.

It’s kind of neat to do that, you know? so helpful, not just for the curious, but also for the practical.

Like, how did this happen where someone didn’t hear someone else screaming uh in the midst of a double two double murders, you know, a double murder on the third floor, a double murder on the second floor, and you know, a girl sleeping on the second floor, and a girl sleeping on the first floor.

How could that have been? But when you saw the uh bizarre floor plan, it did make sense.

It made a lot more sense.

Not everybody shared a a floor and a ceiling and a wall, you know.

And I actually spoke uh we’re getting off topic here from Nancy Guthrie, but I actually spoke to one of the former tenants in the first floor.

If you’re looking at the front of the house to the right, they the kids used it, the girls used it as a storage or the golf Ethan’s golf clubs and bicycle.

I think those kinds of things were in there.

But that was his room.

And he told me when he was in his room, he could hear nothing upstairs on the second floor because he didn’t share any walls and he didn’t share any ceiling with the second floor.

And he said you could be screaming at the top of your lungs in the TV room, which was just up the stairs.

Wouldn’t hear it.

And he also said every one of the doors had its own uh key code lock because they were individually leased rooms.

They weren’t all roommates.

They came in and they leased a room.

They had common entrance.

They had common uh amenities, uh common bathroom, common kitchen, but they had their own bedrooms.

And they didn’t know who they were moving in with.

They probably got to know them, but they each locked their doors against the other.

And so I thought I thought I thought um that storage room is right below Zana’s room.

It is.

It is.

But he said he couldn’t hear anything.

Well, that’s good.

And I’m trying to think Zanna’s did Zana’s room share the entire floor plan with that lower one or did it move back into the cuz it’s a it’s like a a staircase of a home goes two straight up and then it goes back and then the third floor.

So the third floor don’t share the third floor uh of of Mattie’s bedroom sh is the ceiling part of the ceiling of part of it of Dylan Mortonson.

Right.

Yeah.

And then I think part of Dylan’s floor may be the bedroom down below.

Let’s see.

But not the whole floor.

Yeah, Dylan’s entire bedroom floor because then there’s the family room and it actually I think it Dylan’s is where it cuts off.

It maybe cuts off completely.

She actually above her is the bathroom and Madison’s room.

You’re right.

And then so right below is nothing, just dirt, I think.

But she did a lot, you know.

But out of curiosity, it’s interesting.

but also it’s critical for the facts of the case.

So eventually, and I gray boy oh boy, I sure hope we get to a point where the facts of the case are being litigated because we’ve caught somebody and he’s in court and he’s up on a murder charge or he’s up on a kidnapping charge, whatever it’s going to be, whatever this crime ends up resolving itself as.

It’s very sad to see Savannah looking for the final place of rest.

You know, it feels like the family has come to terms.

Yeah.

um with maybe having lost their mother.

Um but at some point, if we are litigating these, you know, what you’re showing me is going to matter.

It’s going to matter because they’re going to need to know the facts.

How you got in, how you perpetrated your crime, why the blood pattern is the way it is.

And again, I’ve got my sources saying there’s blood specks inside, droplets exactly the same as the pattern outside, straight up and down, no sign of struggle, no footprints in the blood.

So moving really slowly, you know, however she got out.

But whatever it is, it’s slowly that that cuz there’s no angle to the drops, right? Yeah.

Or being carried, you know, be carried, right? So but but slowly though, cuz if you’re going quick, it comes in at an angle.

So it’s just really slow moving her out.

Well, I I would say if you are carrying 150 lbs over your shoulder, you’re moving slow.

Yeah.

You know, that’s not a quick step over the shoulder.

I don’t have that one, but Yeah.

you that’s not your theory that she’s being taken out over the shoulder and that’s why the drops are behind him as he’s walking.

He’s not walking in the drops cuz the drops are falling behind him.

Well, I mean a lot of people are saying have that theory.

Mine is just like, you know, at gunpoint they’re just she and I know you said that like going through the door would be a problem, but like you’re walking and she’s just kind of like she had a bloody nose, so blood got in her throat and then she kind of bends over and coughs and then it gets on the ground there and then it keeps How is she not walking through her own blood or how is he not walking through? Well, cuz he’s walking to her off to her side and then to walk in your own blood, it’s almost impossible, right? because you’re dripping down.

It hits your foot and then you step forward on onto clean ground and the only blood that you’re seeing is stuff that missed your feet and hit the ground.

So there’s little droplets over in different places.

You get what I’m saying? So you’re going to step on your own, but I think you eventually would step on your own.

And I don’t think he can go through a door with her on his left.

His if his gun is on the right and he’s got his holster uh he’s got the gun holstered so that it would be a right-handed grab.

So, he’s right-handed and he’s walking her on his left because the blood is more to the left outside the door.

If you’re walking out the front door and he’s sort of he’s got his his gun across his body to her and they’re walking through the door together, he’d have to be walking behind her and he’d walk through it.

Yeah.

Or just just kind of like let her go through and it goes off to the side.

I mean, I don’t you know, that’s the thing is it’s hard.

We were showing pictures of fireman carry and your your head’s a lot higher off the ground than the 8 to 24 ines you’d have to be to make that concentrated cough pattern.

So, you know, I guess that’s something unless unless he accidentally dropped her at that point and that happened and then up she went again.

But there I think there’d be a lot more blood in that spot.

I think there’d be more blood in that area.

But the blood definitely goes down the front walk.

And um I keep coming back to why would anybody walk a live person out? What do they want with her? What do they want with her outside that house? Yeah.

And that’s where you know that’s I mean your you have your your theory that we went over on another one.

I think it was a maybe an assault that you know sexual assault maybe.

Yeah.

Which happened.

It’s awful to think of it.

It’s horrible.

But investigators got to go through every scenario and these are real.

They do happen.

You might think that’s impossible.

84y old woman happens a lot.

It happens more than you know.

These these are uh vulnerable victims that don’t fight back.

People should just go look it up.

There are many many many many cases.

It’s not it’s not even rare to be honest with you.

It’s Yeah, it’s a real thing.

And I think you and I talked on your podcast about uh the statistic that 92% of offenders of geriatric rape are actually in their 20s.

Yeah, I think you mentioned that.

It’s crazy.

I mean, I even like a few years ago, it was weird.

There was a case, I can’t remember exactly where it was, but there was like a 75year-old woman who was married to a 90-year-old and um the husband had died, but she was a stepmom.

And then everybody assumed when she got she ended up being killed, they thought it was one of the family members right away because it’s like, hey, you got this stepmom.

She’s going to live a lot longer.

We want our payout now, our inheritance.

So that’s what you would think.

Turns out it was a guy across the street that was like 25 years old, sexual assault and killed her.

I mean, exactly.

25, you know, something like that.

He was a young guy and he just went across the street and did that.

And it was just almost, you know, at the time it was sort of shocking because I was sort of new to look finding these type of cases.

But I want to uh talk to you a little bit about the possibilities of that that fact that the back doors were often left open.

It does sort of make you wonder if somebody regularly saw the pattern that the doors aren’t locked, if somebody knew.

I mean, look, you can hopcotch your way down a neighborhood and find out what doors are locked or not, but I don’t think that’s where we are.

if we if we’re to understand that there could possibly have been some casing of the place.

Um, and if we know now that, you know, those flood lights were knocked out, let’s make it dark and let’s make it easy to go in those back doors.

Uh, it does sort of give you an idea that this perpetrator may have known from watching that back.

And you can’t just scope from the street and see the back.

You have to be in that backyard.

You have to be in that pool area to see that.

It’s interesting.

I wonder if they have people’s, you know, they said they have other motions detected, maybe some thumbnails, images.

I wonder if they’re just not telling us that they have other times where a camera picks somebody up jumping over, you know, and don’t you think they would show us by now? So, you could see even more about this this offender’s gate and the way he moves and the way he jumps or the way he bends.

I mean, we’ve got a little bit, very little to go on.

I’m also really shocked as to why nobody would bother spreading the information far and wide that January 11th might be significant.

So, please let’s start talking about January 11th, folks, all around Tucson.

Not just the neighborhood, but do you have a boyfriend or a son on January 11th that did some weird things, vanished for the night, was acting strange on January 12th? Like, why wouldn’t you just get that out there? Why would you keep it so close to possible? Cuz later on people are like, I don’t even remember January 11th.

You know, if you did it January 28th or you know, they might go, “Oh, yeah.

” Or, you know, mentioned it after Feb one, not February 1st, right? But I think we would, and I’ll be honest with you, it’s got to be after Feb 8.

I think we got the FBI images 8 days later, didn’t we? Was it February 8th? I think somewhere around there.

That’s regardless.

You know, you’re already a month later basically, even after that, but it’s still But you’re not halfway through March.

you’re not 3/4 of the way through March, you know, but I do think like I was looking up how the possibility of unlocked back doors changes the way investigators might um attack this case.

And and it’s and I I got this.

It says, “An unlock rear door will usually push an investigator towards opportunity narrative.

um an offender exploiting a routine vulnerability rather than executing a sophisticated high skill breach that in turn affects how they think about offender selection.

More likely someone local or observant who noticed the pattern of unlocked doors, not necessarily someone with specialized tools or inside access.

and that this actually has an impact on solvability and and leads.

I just thought it was really interesting how just something as simple as a fact that the family provided to investigators that mom would frequently leave her back doors unlocked might actually motivate some or many investigators to look at this a different way.

Yeah, that is interesting.

It I don’t I was just kind of trying to visualize a person, you know, if if it’s more that makes it more random opportunity.

That’s what you were just saying, right? More of an opportunity.

Uh but it’s weird because you saw it because you saw a pattern of vulnerability.

Let’s just say, and I’m not going to cast dispersions here, but let’s just say there was some guy working as a landscaper, as a pool maintenance guy, as a window fixer, someone who’s working on the air conditioning unit, whatever it is, and has access to that back uh patio, and while he’s in the back patio, he just reaches out and tries the door handle.

That’s an opportunity that you could exploit, and you could make it look innocent if you’re caught doing it.

And so like removing the camera at the front door, knowing you’re going to have a car parked there is all part of you’re exploiting because you already knew that the doors were unlocked, right? So you you were going to get her out the front door later.

It wasn’t just that night, right? That’s not what you’re saying.

Like he didn’t go like walk around that night and go, “Oh, this door’s unlocked.

” Right? Cuz it was 2:30.

I don’t think so.

I think he, this is just a theory, but I think he was part of a crew at some point that knew something about that house, whether he was a crew nearby and saw this vulnerable old woman and thought, I’m going to check that out one night.

I see she’s there a lot getting her mail, whatever it is, and she’s moves slowly, so I know this is an easy target who doesn’t fight back easily, right? So then he’s got his eye on it.

Whether he was in the backyard himself doing work or whether he was down the street doing work, something or other.

So then he goes back another night and decides to take out the flood lights, right? Whether it’s the night of the attack or not, don’t know.

But he takes out the flood lights and then makes the plan.

I’m going to go in the back.

The flood lights are no longer there, so it’s not going to trigger a camera and you know, whatever.

And she’s not going to wake up with the back windows.

He may have actually worked in the yard.

So, he knows exactly where the bedroom winds are, you know.

And then he’s already assessed whether those back doors are open and he knows that I can get that car around the front once I’ve dismantled that front camera and the car will never be caught on camera.

And I’ll pull her out the front.

Oh, either over my shoulder or how I think if you’re going to walk her, you could walk her anywhere.

I think if you need to carry, you need the path of least resistance.

And that’s the front door to that driveway that’s just steps away.

Yeah.

And I was going to let me show you.

Let’s look let’s look at this and just picture it then right because this is likely the door that he came in right I mean this is the one the only door in the back the one that was like wide open it was the back door so that means he would come in and just turn to the right off camera we don’t get to see him because there’s likely a hallway there and that leads right to her room so he’s really close to her room right I mean this is you’re talking about um you know right he comes in basically right here and then her room is right here.

So there’s probably a little hallway or something right there where you walk in go that one and you can go to her room right here right there there there would be a doorway to that room presumably again presumably cuz we don’t have the floor plan for that.

Then also gray on the left hand side of the picture you’re looking at, I wondered if there wasn’t something in that corner, right? The the pool corner of the house.

There’s nothing.

There is a pathway that leads from the pool.

You can see that little sidewalk that leads from the pool to the tree.

And I thought, well, maybe there’s a a window or a sliding glass door there cuz wouldn’t it be nice to have a sliding glass door going out to the pool? There was not.

There is a window and the window goes really close to the edge of the house and then there’s just edge of house.

And I think that pathway just goes along the edge of the house or it goes to maybe some equipment, but it doesn’t go to a a lovely little nook or a patio or or a sliding door into that bedroom.

I thought there was another window right here, too.

Yep, there is.

And then and here, right? I’m not sure.

And that’s what I Maybe a bathroom.

Yeah, maybe a bathroom.

A jack and Jill between those two bedrooms.

Don’t know.

How far is this? Let’s measure that really quick.

I mean, listen, houses built in the 60s and 70s had small bedrooms, you know.

That’s 32 feet.

So there you can do quite a bit in there, you know.

Sure.

32 feet.

I mean, 10 10 ft a bedroom, you could actually probably put two rooms almost like one, you know, if you Yeah.

went in I don’t know.

Maybe Well, I guess if there’s a little bit of a you come in here, a hallway, there’s a little bit of a hallway there.

Yeah.

So it might be like a hallway and then her room ends right there.

So whatever is in here could have, you know, maybe maybe two people lived in the same room, right? It’s a pretty big house though.

3200 square ft for one floor, you know.

And then we don’t know if it was completely renovated to knock down walls and have just a very large master bedroom.

Who knows? At this point, uh she’s living by herself.

But uh right, but I do I do really suspect that whoever did this had a plan and planned all along to do his deed, whatever his deed was, and take her out the front to a car that was waiting, but not a car that was waiting before he immobilized her, went back outside and went up that front entrance and did his business with the front camera to make sure that then he could bring her out the front door without that camera catching him, her, and the car that was waiting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What do you think of this? I had Dr.

She’s a genealogologist, but really sharp mind.

Dr.

Colleen Fitzpatrick, she came on and we kind of went through and she she was like, she was had a theory, but then what I was talking about, I kind of convinced her of a certain, you know, the way I was thinking about it.

But then, you know, the walkie-talkie thing, let’s just pretend that that’s a walkie-talkie.

Wouldn’t it work great if like he goes up like I said before, he removes the camera at 147, then goes back to a maybe a car or something where there’s another person even and they just wait for 20 minutes to see if anybody shows up cuz he knows he set off the motion sensor, right? Then after 20 minutes or so, he um he goes back to the house and without the car, he goes into the house and when he’s about ready, he goes, “Hey, pull the car up.

” Then the then the guy pulls up, parks, then he takes her out, and it’s just one guy that goes in the house, but another person that’s helping drive and load her into the car.

Kind of made some sense, you know? I mean, you can have a million different theories.

Two guys stealing an old woman.

Yeah.

I mean, I just think there’s one person, but it made some sense her theory, like, you know, cuz you wouldn’t want the her theory was that you wouldn’t want a car sitting there for even 12 or 13 minutes.

You just want it there just as you’re removing.

So, it kind of made sense, you know.

But my theory is one.

I think he immobilized her and then brought the car around and and then did his business with the camera, then brought the car around so that the camera would never catch the car in the front when he’s walking her out that front door down the path and into the vehicle cuz the camera’s gone at that point.

What I don’t understand is a disconnect at 147 and an image of a person caught at 212.

That part I just keep struggling with other if at 147 you disconnected the camera but it was still active in your hand, right? You smashed it off its bracket, whatever you did to finally get it off that bracket, um it’s still active.

And so maybe you threw it in your car and it captured an image.

I mean, the way they worded it was the the doorbell camera was disconnected.

So, my theory is that 147, that one was out of play.

That one is he took it off, broke it, whatever it was, it’s disconnected from the network.

It’s never part of the case again.

Then at 212, when he finally was about to go into the house after doing the waiting and so forth, that’s when he was picked up on that back camera.

There was motion that picked him up and it was a person.

And then again, the sheriff said, “But it could have been an animal.

” So that means it’s an outdoor camera because there’s not a cougar running around inside the home, right? That’s the point, right? So it could have been the camera picks him up at 212 and that’s around the time that he goes in.

Then he mobilizes her like you said, and then maybe he goes and gets the car, pulls it up, and then takes off in your theory, that part.

No, that it and this is why everybody across the country and really around the world is so transfixed by this case because every theory is possible until you hit something.

Yeah.

And most theories you think make sense and then they don’t.

Some theories do, but you still wonder who could do such a thing, you know? So, there’s so many that I think that’s why we’re all just sort of stumped and mystified.

Sadly, I believe that uh I think that the officers working on the case, the agents are are stumped as well.

I don’t think there’s any theory that’s clean that so they can come up and go that there isn’t just some element that points a different way, you know, it’s uh there isn’t any, you know, and it’s just sort of uh you know, that’s the part that’s really frustrating.

We don’t have enough information to be absolutely 100% like we are in other cases.

You know, sometimes you’re just like, you know it, right? This isn’t one of those.

It’s you feel like you know it cuz you put together the facts that you have, but if you notice, there’s a lot of people that have theories that work pretty well.

There’s some way out there, but there’s like two or three theories that are just as likely as the other, but then that they’re different.

They’re so they’re so different from each other.

So that’s where it gets frustrating because I want to pick the one that I really feel is 100% what happened and I haven’t been able to do it.

And I I always come back to anybody watching, you know, if you know this person, you know things were weird.

You know things were weird the first of February and the 2nd and the 3rd things were off.

Maybe you noticed something January 11th, which is a Sunday night.

maybe January 24th, which was a Saturday night.

These are all words that have been bandied about with investigators to the um to the neighbors, you know, if something was off with your ex-boyfriend or your son or a colleague at work.

Uh so 1800 FBI is the number to call cuz I think the tips have slowed and I think the leads have slowed and it’s time for people to pay attention once again to their memories just like Savannah asked us to do.

Gay Hughes, thank you.

I I’m just so appreciative that you are you I always say this about you.

You pay attention to detail.

You map it out.

You think it out and then you discuss it.

You don’t do the opposite.

So, I really appreciate it.

Thanks for joining me to help me sort of sort through it.

Thanks for having me on.

Appreciate it.

So, there you have it.

Um just a really fascinating look at this home.

I had not seen this before.

all of the different areas of entry outside and where they lead you to in the house inside and what must have happened to Mrs.

Guthrie in that home.

1800 call FBI if you know anything about all of these dates, right? January 31st, February 1st, the key dates that Mrs.

Guthrie was stolen, but also maybe January 11th because I don’t know about the sheriff.

I don’t know if his explanation is going to hold up.

So, let’s just like hold on to January 11th for now and then also January 24th.

Do you know people who did weird and behave really differently on or around those dates and afterwards? 1800 call FBI.

We are at day 51.

Day 51.

But they’re going to find them.

I say it all the time.

They’re going to find them.

They’re going to find them.

And I think they’re going to find her, too.

I hope so.

Thanks so much everyone for listening and for watching.

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You actually got to see all my dinner guests arriving, too, which was pretty fun as well.

And they really enjoyed meeting you.

Um, but uh I will see you again.

Uh, I’ve got a little bit more um news, I think, that I’m going to be breaking tomorrow.

Have a few more conversations with a couple more of my sources, but it’s yet again another little piece of the puzzle that’s coming.

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