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It’s day 50 effing one of the Nancy Guthrie case.

I have some breaking news.

I’ve spoken to a couple of my sources.

I think I’ve told you a few times now that I’ve got a lot of friends in the FBI, local police, uh, border patrol, sheriff’s departments all around the country and a couple of really solid sources in um, in this Arizona story.

And so canvasing a few of my sources, I have discovered something new in this case that is starting to make a lot of sense.

Um, the Guthrie family has told the local investigators who are working Nancy Guthri’s missing person’s case that Nancy Guthrie frequently left her back doors open, unlocked, which now would make a lot more sense as to how this guy got in so easily, right? It’s upsetting to know that, but it’s helpful information for the police.

You’re going to find out why that changes the way you might look at a case, how you might investigate a bad guy, a source, or a suspect.

It’s interesting when you look at the possibilities of doors regularly being left open, the dynamic can actually change and the offender profile can actually change.

I’m digging into that in this episode, but I’m also doing something in this episode that I think will help you to understand Mrs.

Guthri’s home because looking at from the outside, it’s kind of tricky.

Um, and I have thought all along that this very pretty little blue door at the back of her home was likely the back door that was left open.

That has all been turned up on its end based on my uh sources and them telling me about this issue about the Guthri’s kids.

Uh, the Guthrie kids telling the police that their mom frequently, regularly, left the back doors plural open.

I have Gray Hughes from Grey Hughes Investigates, who’s really good at doing 3D imaging, working his way around crime scenes and figuring outsides and insides.

And he was masterful during the Idaho uh, murders case at 1122 King Road.

and he is going to be so incredibly helpful in just a moment when he joins us to show you all of the different potential entry points to Nancy Guthri’s home.

There are five five different entry points.

And in the back, lest you think that there were multiple doors, there were two, and none of them were sliders.

So, I’m going to walk you all throughout the house and tell you what doors um likely led into which rooms and show you why I think I know which door was the door that this perpetrator more than likely used to uh gain access to the house.

Couple of other pieces and that’s coming in just a second.

Gray is going to join me and like I said, he’s really good at his he’s way better at thingamajigging than I am.

like I’m really really bad at popping up shared screens and moving things around.

I basically like I’m good with a microphone and that’s about it and hair.

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So, I wanted to give you a couple of updates uh that happened if you weren’t watching this weekend um or if you were way too busy on the member Q&A.

There was wine.

There was a little bit of There was actually a martini as well beforehand, but um it was a lot of fun that we had.

But if you weren’t paying a lot of attention to the news, I can get you caught up on a few things.

Savannah Guthrie um and the Guthrie family released a statement very early um to NBC and to KVA.

That’s Savannah’s former um TV station in Tucson where she started and then a day later they released it to the public.

So I wanted to tell you there’s something really significant in this statement.

two things in fact that just popped sort of right off the screen at me.

I’m going to read it and you see if you can tell right away what those two things are.

But don’t worry because I’ll tell you what they are later.

Uh it says, quote, “We are deeply grateful for the outpouring from neighbors, friends, and the people of Tucson.

We are all family now.

We continue to believe it is Tonins and the greater Arizona community that hold the key to finding resolution in this case.

Someone knows something.

It’s possible a member of this community has information that they do not even realize is significant.

We hope people search their memories, especially around the key timelines of January 31st and the early morning hours of February 1st, as well as the late evening of January 11th.

We desperately ask this community for renewed attention to our mom’s case.

Please consult camera footage, journal notes, text messages, observations, or conversations that in retrospect hold significance.

No detail is too small.

It may be the key.

We miss our mom with every breath.

And we cannot be in peace until she is home.

We cannot grieve.

We can only ache and wonder.

Our focus is solely on finding her and bringing her home.

We want to celebrate her beautiful and courageous life, but we cannot do that until she is brought to a final place of rest.

Thank you for continuing to pray without ceasing.

The Guthrie family.

And it’s signed Cameron and Christine.

That’s Cameron, Nancy Guthri’s son and presumably his wife.

Annie and Tomaso.

That’s Annie is NY’s daughter and her husband Tomaso.

And Savannah and Michael.

Savannah obviously NY’s very famous Today Show host daughter and her husband Michael.

So I don’t know if it stood out to you.

The two things in that statement that popped off the screen to me were that Savannah for the first time mentioned January 11th.

So January 11th is really important.

Um because we had only heard from sources.

A lot of members of the press had different police and law enforcement and FBI sources that had said, “Hey, the second image of the intruder uh not wearing a backpack and not wearing a a holster and a gun is from a different date.

” And lots of neighbors said that they’d been asked about January 11th.

And apparently law enforcement was out asking a lot of the neighbors about January 11th and then came back and said, “Let’s widen the aperture all the way from January 1st to January 31st.

” So, we were all very curious about January 11th, right? And lots of stuff happened about January 11th.

Like Michael Ruiz from Fox Digital has two different law enforcement sources that said the picture with no backpack and no gun and holster was from January 11th.

So that would make sense that you know law enforcement’s out asking the neighbors about January 11th.

Do you have video from January 11th? Do you know anything that happened on January 11th? And there’s Savannah Guthrie now putting out this statement saying, “Maybe you know something about January 31st, the late night and the early morning hours of February 1st, which is exactly when her mom went missing.

” But then she adds the late evening of January 11th.

Something about that also stood out because she said the late evening of January 11th.

That’s a Sunday night.

So the late evening would be late Sunday night.

Whereas we were all thinking like the late Saturday night into Sunday morning.

Was he assessing these dates? Because neighbors also said that police came around asking about January 24th.

That’s a Saturday.

And that’s a week before Nancy Guthrie disappeared.

So was this guy casing NY’s home two weeks before, one week before, and then striking on February 1st? And was he doing it late Saturday night into Sunday morning? Both of those weekends.

Well, according to Savannah’s statement, it’s late in the evening, Sunday night.

January 11th is a a Sunday, so late in the evening would be Sunday night.

So, I’m still a little confused about that.

I think I may have the answer for you though where all this confusion came because remember that um that the sheriff, Sheriff Chris Ananos, told us all that we’d be speculating only if we thought anything about the image of the perpetrator without the backpack and without the holster and the gun.

Uh we’d only be speculating if we thought that was a different date.

Meanwhile, FBI sources are telling every one of their, you know, um media sources or media uh representatives that it’s a different date.

came from a different date.

So, we’ve all just said, “Okay, well that’s in the wind.

We don’t know what to do with that.

” But now we’re hearing a statement from the sheriff and it may have the actual answer.

I’m going to get to that in a second.

But I also just want to say like go back in time here.

FBI director Cash Patel, he released that doorbell video footage, right? and the still image um of that masked suspect on Feb 10.

February 10th is a long time ago, right? I kind of wonder why more images haven’t been released or did they give us everything? Like did they give us everything they had? Does Cash Patel and the FBI have more? Was Google able to scratch more and they’re not giving it to us? We do know that they’ve said they have additional camera images from other cameras that that just aren’t of investigative significance that they said, but you know, they said in the backyard they can see some workers on different dates before the incident and they can see police officers in the backyard after the incident, but nothing on the actual day.

Okay.

But anything beforehand, I would like to know who’s in the backyard.

I would like to see because if you saw someone in the backyard, you’re like, “Oh my god, that’s my ex-boyfriend and he’s a rapist and he’s a criminal and he’s always talked about knocking off people.

” That might be helpful for a tip.

I’m just saying if we knew more, if we saw more, there might be more pointed tips with actionable intelligence, you know? So, I’m just sort of curious why a they’re not releasing more images if they have them.

And I I get it.

They probably don’t want to, you know, show a bunch of like innocent landscapers and pool guys and and suddenly the whole world is running to their front doors and like videotaping them and turning them into the police.

But there could be something else there for the public to help.

And to that end, why wasn’t the public brought in on the February uh on the on the January 11th date? Why didn’t they ask us the whole lot of eyes that were on this case all through February? Why didn’t they say early on? As early as possible, January 11th.

Do you know anything about January 11th? For instance, do you have a boyfriend that was stepping out on you that night? You didn’t know where he was all night and you are mad.

Or you just don’t have your answer.

Let us know.

Do you have an ex-boyfriend who was acting weird? January 11th, stepping out, acted weird, got into a fight.

Did that ex-boyfriend step out again on Feb 1, right? Jan 31, Feb 1, Saturday to Sunday all night Saturday night into Sunday morning because those are the kinds of tips that can sink a suspect, right? A jilted lover can sink a suspect.

A mom or a cousin or an aranged brother, aranged sister, estranged father, whatever, if they know something was up.

But January 11th was significant to them.

Why not release that? Why not have the whole world asking themselves about January 11th? Is there something that maybe I can do for the police regarding January 11th? But they didn’t.

They just left us all to wonder and ask questions.

It’s super frustrating, you know, cuz maybe a tip might have come in.

But now we’re like, I don’t know, day 51.

Can anybody remember what you were doing in January? Mid January.

Most of you be like, I don’t know.

It was dry January.

feels like a eons ago.

It’s a long time ago.

It’s a lot longer ago than maybe it needed to be.

They work in mysterious ways.

You know, maybe they had their reasons, but it just seems frustrating that could have had a lot of people thinking about January 11th if it just leveled up and told us why January 11th mattered.

And here’s what we can tell you now.

Again, with the cherrypicked interview, the sheriff chooses NBC, seems to really favor NBC.

um and favors locals.

This is what the sheriff said regarding January 11th.

He said uh to NBC, “Google initially told investigators that a surveillance image of a masked man at Guthri’s front door that was recovered from a Nest camera at her home was believed to be from January 11th.

” That’s when you should have gone out to the public and yelled January 11th from the rooftops.

Anybody seen anything weird on that day? Did anybody behave weirdly in your family? They didn’t.

And then this is what Nanos continues to say.

However, Google then backed off that assertion.

Quote, “Google initially reported that date as a quote possibility quote then later retracted the statement.

” Nanos told NBC.

The company told authorities it could not definitively determine that the surveillance image was from January 11th or any specific date.

According to the sheriff, Sheriff Nanos maintains it remains unclear if the suspect showed up at Guthri’s home prior to the night of her abduction.

The FBI and Google have not commented on the timeline.

So, let me unpack that for a hot minute.

We now do not know, according to the sheriff, whether the guy with no backpack, no gun, no holster, and what looked like different shoes was on a different night, even though the FBI has told many sources uh among the media that those are two different nights.

Is that because the FBI was going off of this Google information that the sheriff is saying became outdated? I don’t know.

But I kind of feel like those reporters keep going back to those sources and they would have said, “Hey, hey, I got I got to tell you something.

” By the way, I’ve had several sources and I they call me and say, “Let me tweak something I told you earlier today.

Uh I’m talking to others and that’s not this part’s more accurate.

If you word it that way, this is more accurate.

” So, it’s not like they don’t care once they give us information.

They don’t just give us something, walk away, and forget about us.

That’s not all all the time.

That’s not how it works.

Um there’s a lot of care and consideration.

So I would be shocked that nobody’s sources came back to them to say, “Oh, you remember that January 11th thing I told you about that the maybe that the guy’s wearing uh the guy wearing the the the no backpack and no gun is from a different date.

” Yeah, scratch that.

Google changed their minds.

That didn’t happen.

It’s only happening with Nanos and it’s only happening in this one cherrypicked NBC interview.

Google initially told investigators that a surveillance image of a masked man at Guthri’s front door was recovered from a nest camera at her home believed to be from January 11th.

Google initially reported that date as a possibility, then later retracted the statement.

Okay.

I’d be thoroughly satisfied with all of this if it weren’t coming from Sheriff Nanos.

And I’m sad to say that.

I like to trust law enforcement.

I do.

I just don’t trust him and don’t trust his statements because he just seems to mess up.

And then what he says is either untrue or completely confusing or doesn’t make sense.

If you need an example, that’s a lie.

He told a Fox reporter who said, “Can you talk to me about the FBI going to gun stores with a list of names and images of people’s faces? That’s a lie.

” Well, no, it isn’t because we’ve already been interviewing the gun stores.

And they said it’s happening.

Um and uh we know we believe we know why he was here and we’ve known since day one.

That was Sheriff Nanos what last week? I guess.

Yeah.

Okay.

Really? You’ve known since day one, huh? So on day one, you said there’s no cause for concern out there in the community.

There’s no danger to the community.

Called off the search and we’re handing the crime scene back to the family and then 6 weeks later he could strike again.

I guess that means there is a concern to the community.

So, what do you mean you’ve known since day one? Cuz on day one, you said there was no concern.

This is why I don’t trust everything that Sheriff Nano says.

It just I just feel nervous like looking at that.

It I’d like it to make sense, but I don’t know if it does.

I don’t know if he knows honestly.

He didn’t even know the FBI was in there with the Guthrie family getting statements on camera to hand out to these alleged ransom seekers.

He didn’t even know about that.

his wife told him she saw it on TV.

So again, I’m not 100% sure that I can be satisfied that that he knows what he’s talking about here, but for what it’s worth, that happened.

Also, I’m still very, very curious about January 24th.

Right, that’s a Saturday night, a week before Mrs.

Guthrie disappeared.

Neighbors were being canvased just in the last two weeks.

Again, about January 24th.

So, was this guy really, really good at casing the place before he made his strike? Or did he just show up that night, have a look around, maybe tried a few other doors down the way, and, you know, finally ended up at this house, and wouldn’t you know it, great, it’s open, and and I can find a victim.

I have a harder time believing that.

And what you’re about to learn really backs that up.

It It backs up it being hard to believe that this is sort of random.

Um my source telling me that Mrs.

Guthrie often left those back doors unlocked.

Um it lends itself to the kind of investigation that pushes towards an opportunity narrative.

That’s quote opportunity narrative uh an offender exploiting a routine vulnerability rather than executing a sophisticated high skill breach.

This in turn affects how they think about offender selection.

More likely somebody local or observant who noticed the pattern of unlocked doors, not necessarily someone with specialized tools or inside access.

So, I called Gray Hughes of Gay Hughes Investigates.

Very good podcast.

Check it out for sure.

I’ve linked the description to the podcast that I did with him just a few days ago because Gray and I kind of did the macro look and he’s so good at mapping, literally mapping things out, mapping the home inside, outside, doorways, egress, um, and also neighborhood.

And so, Gray and I talked a lot about the potential of what might have happened within the neighborhood the night that Mrs.

Guthrie disappeared.

and his theories about what this perpetrator did with his vehicle.

He’s got a very interesting theory, by the way, and it matches with the timeline of the cameras going out.

Um, I disagreed with it, however, so you should see our conversation.

But today, I called him and said, “Hey, can you get those 3D skills of yours uh back up and cooking?” Because now that I’ve learned this information about the back doors being routinely left unlocked and the offender profile being now kind of shifting for investigators more than likely knowing this information uh as a a exploiting a routine vulnerability rather than executing a sophisticated high skill breach.

uh walk me around the house and let’s find all the places where there are doors, where in the back there are doors, where there are windows, and where those doors lead to in the house.

So, where this perpetrator might have come in and where Mrs.

Guthrie was lying asleep in bed and what he would have done to get in, get to her, and get her out through that front door.

So, Gray is fantastic the way he walks me through it.

Um, have a listen to our conversation.

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Gray, it’s uh it’s really good to have you.

Um you’re so good at navigating scenes.

I remember during Idaho, you walked us all throughout um the crime scene of the um you know, of 1122 King Road.

And I since I’ve heard this news that um Savannah’s family has told the police that Mrs.

Guthrie used to leave her back doors plural uh open.

It it made me wonder where are they and where do those doors lead to? And you’ve done some pretty great work in in trying to figure out through photos and floor plans where the doors are, where they lead to, and where this person might have gotten um entry into into the home.

First and foremost, there’s there’s five doors, correct, to the to this home.

Yeah, I think there there’s one that leads to a storage unit.

There’s one in the back uh that it’s just another single door that’s sort of in the back uh middle of the yard type right near the right hand side, but in the middle.

And then there’s another door, a slider that goes from NY’s room out to a little patio.

And then there’s a slider from the patio that goes in to the living room and then the front door.

It’s very confusing to hear it all.

So, let’s actually look at it because I think you’ve done a good job of um of mapping it out.

So, tell me where you want to start.

What’s easiest? Where do you want to start to show sort of which which doors are where? Well, I guess we could just go look at uh I think Google Earth would be good.

Let me switch screens really quick.

And we just go like this.

Let’s just start at the front of the house.

Okay.

We all we’ve all seen the video, right? We all know that front door really, you know, intimately by now.

Yes.

And then if we go around, let’s just go around this direction.

Uh there’s a garage here.

And then there’s this little storage room right here that we we didn’t know where this door went until this floor plan came out.

There’s a storage.

Can you zoom in there? Can you zoom into that? Cuz we’ve all seen this blue door.

To the right of the blue door.

Originally, there were smashed flood lights that were hanging there.

They were just dangling there until the police finally removed them.

I think it was I don’t know day second week or something.

At the same time they were removing the the camera off that cassita to the left bottom of the screen that guest house.

But that blue door there on the left a lot of us thought it was a back door to maybe the kitchen or something or other.

But your your inner floor plan shows that that corner there is actually not necessarily house.

It’s It’s actually a a little piece of the garage, right? Yeah.

Let’s get the Here’s the garage.

Let’s say we’re driving from the bottom of the screen into the garage.

Can you do that? Yeah.

If we were driving from the be uh driving from the bottom of the screen, it would have came in like this.

So, this is the front of the garage.

We’re actually looking at it from behind the house.

And that camera that you were just referring to was right over here uh on the top.

People should know that this bottom this big huge bottom square that says 56.

4 on the bottom.

That’s not that’s not building.

That’s yard.

Yeah.

That’s right here.

This this place.

That big square there.

Okay.

That’s helpful.

So, because people are thinking that’s an awfully big piece of the building.

Yeah.

But so that that big empty square on the bottom is is yard.

And this little rectangle with a with a a a diagonal line through it is actually an outdoor patio.

So, if you go to the left of the patio and scooch over all the way to the uh to the left, you’ll be getting towards that little blue door.

The blue door right here, I think, in this next to that room just right next to right in this little spot.

I’m I’m move I don’t know if you can see it, but I’m moving around like a little there.

Now, I see it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right there.

And what’s sort of interesting about that is that we all thought that was just going inside the house and it looks like it’s actually going inside either the garage or a little bit of a, you know, a tool room or garden room or storage room off the garage and it’s not necessarily going into the house proper.

Correct.

That little blue door that everyone’s looked at.

Yeah.

I thought it was interesting that they used glass on it for a storage room, but you know, it’s it is what it is.

So there there is that.

And so you saw that there was a storage room just in there.

And then if we go back to the map now, there’s a garage is the garage is right there.

So the storage room does not doesn’t appear to go into the garage.

I don’t know if there’s another door right there.

They, you know, we don’t know that.

We can’t see into the garage very well.

There is a shot that I have in the garage.

This one.

And you can see that there is um a garage half of a garage door there.

Now, this looks newer than a door that we might see in a little bit because these photographs that apparently we have inside the home seem to be pretty old, you know, from a while ago.

And let let’s be really clear about the floor plan that you’re looking at and the photos we’ll show people in a moment inside the home.

Um, where did like where did you get this floor plan and and roughly how old might it be even though we can’t really date it? Uh, well, somebody actually sent it to me.

Then I went out to the same website.

It was like a county website that had the floor plan and I downloaded it.

And so it was great, but I sure wish it had the interior walls, you know, but so we’re left to try to figure that out.

And that door that we were just seeing is right here.

And so that’s going to inside the garage.

Meaning if you drive into the garage and then you got out of your car and kept walking forward, that would be point to that again.

Put your cursor where that was again.

You would be walking through the door to the interior of the house from the garage.

Right there.

Right.

And so when Nancy was dropped off that night and the garage door opened, she likely went through that door to go into the house.

So, can you flip to the And knowing now that you’d be walking through that door.

Um, and that it’s not that little blue door that we’ve all been looking at in the back yard.

Flip to the inside.

Well, should we should we Yeah, flip to the inside of the house so we can see what you’re referring to by the way you get from the garage into the house and where it lands you.

So, I think this is it right here.

So, this I believe that this image right there.

Now, you see that there isn’t glass on the lower portion of it, right? Because that door looks like one of the newer type of doors that you have with the the blinds inside the glass.

And so, I think they, you know, this is an area where you come into the house and then you turn to the right and it heads towards the back.

Now, if you look way back there, you can literally see the cement wall in the backyard there.

So, it is the correct I mean, I I really believe this is an image from inside the house.

Yeah, the orientation’s correct.

And also, just note for a minute, if you will, again, it’s a little bit disorienting because it’s not what we all thought.

Um, if you were to walk through that door, and we’re going to presume here, cuz Gray and I have not been in the house, so we’re just going by the outside plans, where the windows all fall, and these these interior photos, which could be very old.

So, you’ve walked in that door, and if it is the garage, you’ve walked straight along the length of the car and into the into the kitchen, and you turn to the right.

And if you walk along those cabinets, you can see there’s no windows there.

So, you’re presumably walking along the nose of the car and then maybe the nose of another car.

You’re you’re you’re walking along the front of the garage there, which is why there’s no light coming in that side.

But that would, as Gray just said, land you um at the back of the house as you get to those windows.

And you can see right there, it does go around.

See it right there? Kind of goes, it would go around the corner.

And that does match the the map, right? So, see right there, it comes around.

So, it’s looking pretty good.

The windows kind of weird, though, right? The windows are tricky.

And I will say um that I think some of the windows may be a little bit overgrown, especially where the sink is.

So, if you go to the left, you can see over to the far left, that’s where you would stand at the sink.

Uh you can see through the window and it feels like it might be one of the windows that’s very very overgrown with some of the foliage on the outside of NY’s house.

Yeah.

So if we go take a look at that.

Look at all that greenery.

A large window there.

And there might be a window behind there.

I’ve looked for it.

I can’t see one.

But it’s also too thick to know for certain.

It’s hard to tell.

Okay.

So just as you’re looking at that picture, you can now see to the right of everything that Greg just showed you, that foliage, that window, there’s an a cover.

There’s an awning over this patio.

And the patio is significant because we’ve now learned where the second significant door is to NY’s house.

And we do not know which door was used by the perpetrator to gain access.

We just know what I reported from my source, and that is that her back doors, plural, were often left unlocked, according to NY’s children telling the police.

So, all right, Gray, let’s walk under that awning best we can and sort of place through different photographs and some of the drone shots that we’ve been able to uh freeze from Fox and from um News Nation what the placement is of the walls and windows and the door under that awning.

I think this is the blue door underneath the awning right here.

And that be the second door now.

Yeah.

And that’s the second one.

And the first one is the one that leads into the storage unit over there.

Uh but there it’s blue and it’s just right there.

And I think uh that’s an a way to get into the house.

And you’re sort of you’re getting near NY’s room at this point too when you enter that door.

Significant about this door though, and Fox was very good at pointing this out.

Um and that is that you can see that it’s got a door handle.

It’s got a lock.

It’s a standard door.

It is not special or you know unique in any way.

It is a standard door that has a door lock.

You don’t see it necessarily exactly there.

You can see it on that picture there.

You can see the handle and uh and again it’s breaks my heart to think that this might have been one of the doors that he used to get through given that it is a locking door.

You can see just barely a little dead bolt.

So this is a key picture here.

This is the couch outside the on the patio under the awning.

And if you’re sitting on this couch, you’re facing the pool, the grass, and you can see the reflection of the gr the grass in this outdoor window, but it is clearly a window, not a door.

Um, and it sort of spans the length of this outdoor sofa.

And we know exactly where that is.

Um, well, you know, where all the, you know, the furniture is and the walls and stuff like that.

That’s hard.

However, this is what it looked like at one point in there.

Here is that window that we were just looking at.

But notice on the outside of that window, you’d be sitting on a sofa looking out into that greenery.

Just like that.

Right there.

Yeah.

Right.

And then we go back to here.

Now, here’s something that’s interesting just to add more proof to it.

So, here’s the door over there.

Now, again, these pictures might be 15, 20 years ago.

Don’t know.

But look back here.

This brick wall.

See how the brick wall goes like that and then there’s a corner right there and then it turns.

So, if we go back up to Google Earth and flip around, right there, there is the wall, the corner, and then it turns.

So, it’s definitely the right space.

And that’s where that window is, is right there.

And that door is right in here.

And that door, if you were to walk out the door, you would immediately see a brick wall on your left.

And that’s the brick wall of the, I believe, the bedrooms that start in the the farther part of the uh of the home.

See that brick wall through the window of the door right there? You open the door and you got literally a brick wall on your on your left, which appears to be maybe the the bedrooms, which is right there.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

So, that’s door number two.

And we’ve assessed where those windows are.

And to the left, um gray to the left of that patio furniture.

I was thinking, well, maybe there’s another door that goes closer into where the kitchen is.

And under that awning, many of the drone shots, very, very hard to see, but uh Mo Moran, who’s one of the greatest photographers of all time, um and I’ve worked with him many, many days.

Uh he was able to get his drone to look to the left under the awning, and it is just a straightup brick wall.

There is no door.

There is nothing.

There’s not even a window to the left of all that furniture.

There’s just some lovely plants.

It’s like a little plant corner, you know, but clearly not another window, not another door.

So you can sort of X off that area to the left of the awning.

Uh under the awning, the the left part under the awning, there is no additional door that patio, there is only one door in that patio.

Then we go to the right uh gray and you can see the air conditioning or at least the vent unit there.

Um and and I think there’s like that’s a window there as well, right? There’s a window right here and right there.

There’s two windows there which could be one or two small bedrooms.

Yeah.

I mean it could be.

It’s weird.

It’s the the way this is laid out is pretty interesting.

I mean, it’s u it’s hard to put when you look at the there’s only three pictures that I have of the interior and so we don’t know exactly, but we we do know that NY’s room is I believe we know that she her room is right here and this is going to be a slider that goes out to the deck.

And then I think um we we don’t know.

We assume based on some things you’re going to show us, you know, based, we’ve got a few ideas of what the interior looks like based on these photos that Gray has been showing you.

Also, the Today Show segment that she did, what was it, 2012? I’m trying to remember the date.

It was a long time ago.

2013 maybe.

Yeah.

And she did a Today Show segment on how to make your bed.

And so, they had a live camera in her bedroom um when Savannah and her co-anchors, it was just sort of a fun segment on the best protocols for making a good bed.

And it was really sweet.

But that window gray that you’re basically front and center is an important window to look at based on the the pictures that we saw um on the today’s show segment.

Right.

And I think the headboard is just right over here.

So there is a space here that could be a bathroom, another bedroom.

Uh we don’t know.

Like these windows here go to a different room that’s not NY’s room.

And there’s a wall right there behind the headboard.

All right.

And so there’s a slider uh we’re assuming goes from her room.

It seems to make sense that you have a slider to go out to a private patio and that the master bedroom would have the slider and not the kids’ bedrooms.

I mean, that’s not usually what you want in your children’s bedrooms is a sliding door to, you know, get out.

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Do you have that still shot from the Today’s Show that shows sort of where Nancy was standing? And it shows that window on that that that little window up.

Um, so here’s the the segment where the cameraman and the is is shooting the the headboard.

Yeah.

You want me to leave it here? I think if I There’s another one that’s a little bit more to the left, further into off to the left, you see the window.

Yeah.

Right.

It goes out to the side of the house.

Yeah.

Mhm.

And then you you can kind of see it even in this image.

You’re you’re you’re cut off on your screen, but Yeah.

Right up to the left there’s a window there and a and a curtain.

And I think if I move Let me just try to move it forward further down.

Yeah, right there.

This one is really got the whole window that you can see.

Um, and then you can see so the headboard, just so people know, the headboard, NY’s headboard would be a wall perhaps with the next bedroom over that would go towards the back of the house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Cuz I think that that wall right there, if you look back out to here, that wall would have to be somewhere in the middle of this window and this one.

So, there is another room, you know, perhaps a master bathroom or a bedroom or maybe or maybe two bedrooms.

They had three kids um growing up and I, you know, Savannah said she uh spent the latter part of her life there, but a long part of her life and she’s got uh you know, two siblings, so there’s got to be enough bedrooms in the house.

But I think you’re right.

I think that slider uh is most probably into a master bedroom than than a a kid’s bedroom.

So now you were going to tell us about the adjacent because that’s door number three now, right? We’ve gotten to that door number three in that little nook.

I call it the al cove nook on the corner of the house and it’s the front of the house.

That little nook is the front of the house.

So you see the you see the slider going into the room that we just guessed was NY’s.

There’s another slider going in the other angle.

Um and that’s Yeah.

And that right there is the living room because we now know because of your pictures inside.

Yeah.

So here we go.

This is It’s actually pretty interesting to look at at this.

So, we see this fireplace right here.

And then we’re going to I’m just going to turn it like this.

So, you know that the slider is right there.

And there’s a window right there.

So, let’s just turn it like like this.

There’s a window on either side of the fireplace, which is now the front of the house.

That fireplace is on the front um front of the house.

And so, here’s the fireplace.

There’s the window on the left.

And there is the slider that goes out to the private patio where Nancy could go from her room to the right over there.

She could go out the living room slider, take a right, and go in a slider into the presumed master bedroom.

Exactly.

And that fireplace, if we could get the picture wider, which you can’t, would have another window right over there on the left hand side of it.

That’s right.

And then the door to go outside is a little bit even more back behind us a little bit almost where you’re standing.

If you’re the photographer, you’re probably standing close to the front door at this point.

Right.

Mhm.

So like that shot was taken from probably somewhere like this but inside the home.

There’s the chimney and then there’s the arch is right there that goes inside the house.

So we were just we couldn’t see this window.

So we were probably like right here inside the house.

So that is door number three.

And are we at door number four? Number four.

This is four.

Two, three, and four.

Yeah, we door number three was the presumed master bedroom.

Door number four is the living room slider.

Two sliders.

Door number five is of course the front door.

That’s it.

Yeah.

Very, very tricky to sort of navigate all of that.

But I I don’t know how often you’ve done these stories where there’s been burglaries or um missing people or murders or you know some kind of terrible crime, but so many law enforcement officers I’ve spoken with, federal level, local level, state level, say sliding doors are usually a culprit.

People just forget about the locks on the SL.

They’re usually a latch.

It’s a little different than your normal pop a button or turn a, you know, a lever.

Um that sliding doors are a real problem.

Yeah, I think well Coberger went through a sliding glass door as well.

And maybe that wasn’t locked either.

Like, hey, we let the dogs out.

People come in and out and you just don’t lock the door.

Well, that is the story of of of the kitchen door in the back uh at 11:22 King Road.

They never locked the back door.

Every friend of theirs said it was open.

You were always able to go in and out.

And honestly, at a a student house, you would just do that.

You would think you would you would do that.

Maybe five girls living together.

Maybe that would be a little bit more tricky.

You would think about security more.

But honestly, there were just so many kids that came and went, it didn’t seem like it was a problem to leave that slider open.

Yeah, exactly.

And then in this case, you have two sliders where you’re surrounded by a wall.

So, you probably think, “Oh, this this is safe.

” And then in the backyard, it’s also surrounded by a wall.

Then you got your security camera.

you’re just feeling like, okay, nobody’s coming in here.

But I mean, that’s exactly what predators look for, especially with an elderly person that’s all by herself in a home, you know, and you know what, and we don’t we don’t know um where this predator gained access.

We only know that there are those two sliders, right? Um, and that Nancy left her back doors plural open very regularly, which would have been a door that would have gone into the garage.

And so many people leave their garage doors to their homes open as well.

Very few people think to lock the door that goes out into your garage because your garage seems like a sacrosan place as well.

Well, what door do you think was the one that was left wide open? Now, I mean, at this point, um, I think it may have been that one next to the patio furniture because whoever this perpetrator was, it looks like he smashed those flood lights out.

Who else would have who else would have left those flood lights in that condition? A contractor.

I It just seems hard to believe.

Seems like it would be logical, right? You you darken the back and then you’d go test the doors.

Yeah.

I mean, it’s interesting.

Like let’s say the one with the broken um lights where the storage unit door is.

What if he opened that one up and go ah hell there’s nobody in there and he just didn’t care to shut it.

You know, it’s just like why would you shut it? There’s Oh my god, this goes into a storage unit.

I don’t think because I don’t think my sources and I’ve got two of them now.

Actually, I’ve got three.

Um at this point, I now have three.

Uh have all said the words back door wide open.

So I don’t think they would have said door to the storage room was wide open.

they would have said back door wide open and listen I can only I can only guess because I don’t know for sure which one but um but if she leaves plural if she you know got in the habit of of leaving plural doors open that’s an easy way to access and if you came in the front door um if you were you know the the family members or the police officers who were responding the patrolman who who arrived at the call of a of a missing person um you could see right away I think if you walked in that front door based on the floor plan put Can you put your floor plan back up again of the of the house? The simple one.

The one that I think has color.

It looks really easy to follow.

I feel like you might be able to actually see inside that little family room that had the windows out to the sofa, you know.

So, if you walk in the front door, which is the top, says 98 at the top right there.

You walk in the front door and then look straight across.

You’re looking straight across to the patio which has that little door to the right.

Move your little hand over to the right.

To the Yeah, there.

There’s the door.

So, if you walked in the front door, you could instantly see the back door open if you if you were looking.

If you if you walked in the front door, you’d have to um search around the house to notice that storage room.

So, this might be then the living room.

And just to the left is the the arch.

You come in the door and you look straight across right across to here.

Right.

So, the living room might be to the the left because if that’s the patio right there, because that is what that is, right? That’s the window in the middle of the patio.

And by the way, Gray, look to the right.

There’s a fireplace on the right.

Mhm.

Okay.

Yeah.

And you can see that on the roof.

And look at look outside.

Look at your outdoor.

There’s that fireplace chimney right there.

And the patio awning.

You can see looks like part of a roof.

That’s just an awning.

That’s an indent.

It’s an awning.

So, you walk in that front door.

You’re either going left to the living room or straight ahead to that awning.

And that that that back door is just to the left.

I mean, you’re almost it looks like you’d be just a That’s interesting, too.

15 steps, you know? You’re in the front entrance right here.

It’s weird because that means this one right here then would be if you turn to the right, you’re seeing that last shot because this is like, you know, you’re coming in the arc and you’re looking right down there.

That means just to the right, you’re looking down and there is look at the chair on the right hand corner of your screen down below.

Oh, the big chair that you can see a full is that Yeah.

I mean, listen, who knows how things were furnished when these photos were taken, but but it does seem that just to the left of the chair on the left is the door.

And then you’d walk in and you’d be looking right down at that fireplace and those windows.

Exactly.

So, we could And that bookshelf is the the bookshelf is possibly the sidewall on the other side of NY’s bed that’s out of the camera shot.

Uh that could be the master bedroom where you know um that would be the the the again the wall to the right of the bed as you’re looking um from the Today Show camera angle.

Yeah.

It’s interesting because that means like NY’s room is in there somewhere.

Yeah.

And then the wall possibly, you know.

Yeah.

I mean it just seems like it makes the most sense like you were saying earlier.

It leads out to a a patio and that’s what would be in the master bedroom.

See if you can go back to the the shot of the um interior of the home where you can see the back window and the fireplace in the back because I wonder see I wonder how you get to the other bedrooms in the back.

I I assume you go to the left there and pass that door.

Yeah, there looks like there’s definitely a a turn that you can make.

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