On the morning of March 24th, 2025, did you receive any calls from either Ariel or the defendant? I did.

Okay.

And which was it? From the defendant.

Who contacted who? Defendant contacted me.

What type of call was it? A FaceTime call.

When you say FaceTime call, is that on the Apple iPhone? Correct.

Was this call a FaceTime voice call or a FaceTime video call? FaceTime video call.

How many times or how many calls were there from the defendant to you on March 24th, 2025? Two.

And what times were the two calls at? I couldn’t recall exactly.

Okay.

Um would seeing or did you provide a statement to a Maui detective regarding this incident? Regarding those calls? Yes.

Uh and in that statement, did you tell the detective what time those calls were? Yes, I did.

Would seeing that statement help you refresh your recollection as to when those two calls were? It would.

Okay.

Pull a page number here.

Okay, I’m going to approach with what’s been marked as states exhibit 170.

I just lines sorry page number three and page number four.

Okay, may I approach you, please? Okay, Emil, could you quickly read pages three and four of this document and when you’re done reading, just look up.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh, is your recollection refreshed as to when those two calls were? It is.

Okay.

I’m gonna retrieve the exhibit and I’m gonna ask you the same question again.

Okay.

All right.

I’m gonna retrieve exhibit 170 for you.

Okay.

And what time were those two video FaceTime calls on March 24th, 2025? The first one was at 10:42 a.

m.

and the second one was at 11:46 a.

m.

Okay.

I’m going to ask you about the call from 10:42 a.

m.

first.

Okay.

All right.

Where were you when you got the FaceTime video call at 10:42 a.

m.

at home? That’s the same address we talked about earlier.

Correct.

Um, what did you see on the other side of the screen when you picked up that call? I saw the defendant.

Can you describe the defendant as you saw him on that call? um wearing sunglasses.

Um dry fit shirt.

That’s all I saw.

Can you Did you uh see the area that the defendant was in outside? And what or did the defendant tell you anything during that call? Yes.

What did the defendant tell you during that call? As close to word for word as you can remember.

that he would not be making it back to Maui and to take good care of the younger kids and that he had that Ary, my stepmom, had been cheating on him and that he tried to kill her.

Okay, that’s a lot.

Uh, but I’m going to break that down a little bit.

You said he tried You said the defendant told you he tried to kill Ariel.

Is that right? Correct.

Did he tell you what happened to Ariel? He did not.

Did he tell you where she went? No.

Did the defendant tell you why he tried to kill Ariel? Uh, no.

During this 10:42 a.

m.

call, did the defendant tell you anything about what he planned to do next? Um during that call, the next plan that he said was to jump off the cliff.

And how did you react to hearing that? Told him not to.

How did you react to the defendant telling you he tried to kill Ariel? I don’t remember what I said.

Do you recall um what the defendant told you after he said he tried to kill Ariel? Not directly after.

Okay.

Did he say where Ariel went? No, just away.

What did he say about Ariel and away? She He said that she had gotten away and that was all I heard about her location.

During this first call at 10:42 a.

m.

, did you ask the defendant any questions yourself? I Yes.

Um, I asked what was on his shirt cuz I looked like I saw splatters of something on his shirt and he said, “Oh, it’s just her,” meaning Aries’s blood.

Okay.

So, so far you’ve told us that the defendant told you he tried to kill Ariel, uh, that Ariel got away, that Ariel was cheating on him, that he planned to jump, and that the blood on the shirt he’s told you was Ariel’s.

Is that correct? Correct.

Okay.

Did I miss anything so far? No.

Okay.

Did he tell you anything else during this call at 10:42 a.

m.

? No.

All right.

So, after you get this FaceTime call and after the defendant tells you these things, what did you do? I went over to my grandparents house, which is Ariel’s parents.

Okay.

Um, walked over to their house.

Um, told them what had happened.

How far away is your grandparents house away from from the Pu place address you mentioned earlier? Um, it’s like a minute or so walk.

And could you tell us your grandparents names? Uh Judith Judith and Peter Mast.

Which of your grandparents did you tell about the call first? Both.

They were both there.

So both of them.

What happened after you told Judith and Peter Mast about this 10:42 a.

m.

call? Um, the next notable thing is they received a phone call from uh, I believe it was Queens Hospital, one of the hospitals here.

Later on that day, did you tell anybody else what the defendant told you? Uh, my mom.

Okay.

Who’s your mom? Uh, Jesse Pateller.

Okay.

Did you at some point also tell the police what happened that day? I did.

All right.

Um, do you know where your grandparents ended up going after you told them about this call? Yeah, here.

They came to Aahu.

Correct.

Okay.

All right.

Um, you said that there was a second call at 11:46.

Is that right? Correct.

All right.

The second call, was this a FaceTime call as well? Yes.

Okay.

And just phone, just audio or audio and video? Audio and video.

Okay.

Um, when you did you pick up the call? I did.

When you picked up this second call at 11:46, what did you see on the screen? I saw the defendant.

Okay.

And um, can you describe any background that you saw on the scene if you if you remember? Uh just trees, rocks, the sky.

Was it during this second phone call at 11:46? What did the defendant tell you, if anything? Uh he asked me if I had told anybody and I said yes.

And I told him who I had told.

And then um he said that he was just going to jump and said that a couple times.

Okay.

To be super exact here, Emil, who did you tell the defendant that you told? I told the defend uh that I told my grandparents and my mother.

Okay.

So, you told him that you told Peter, Judy, and Jesse.

Correct.

Okay.

So, after the defendant told you he was going to jump a couple times during the second call, how did you respond? Um, same way as before.

said not to.

I don’t know.

You told the defendant not to jump, right? Okay.

Um, how did the second call end? Um, with him saying that with the defendant saying, um, I’m going to go before the police catch me.

Did you tell he was going to hang up? Do you remember that? I’m sorry.

Objection leading assisting.

Okay.

Bad question anyway.

All right.

Um Sorry, I just want to clarify about the last thing you told me um about the police.

What exactly the defendant tell you about the police? Ask that answer.

Could you clarify what the defendant told you about the police? that he was um that the police was looking for him.

He didn’t want to, I don’t know, get be found.

Did the defendant tell you anything else about his state of mind or what he was thinking? Uh he said he was at the end of his rope.

Anything else you can remember about that? um thought about suicide for the last couple months leading or for the months leading to the 24th of for both of these calls we’ve been talking about.

Who was the caller? The defendant.

So at either call, were you the one to dial him up? No.