And so, you know, who knows? She might have gotten out of bed when she heard something and they might not have even uh seen each other until she was out of bed because I know we’ve heard taken from her bed, but then they walked back on.

Well, you’re right about that.

And let me tell you something again.

This sheriff Nanos uh he was the one who said it and then when it was actually published, he then came back and said, “I didn’t think you were going to take me literally.

I’m walking that back.

” So everybody walked back until Savannah put out her Instagram a couple weeks later saying, “My mother was taken from her bed in the dark of night.

” And then yesterday on the Today Show in her interview with Hodicotti said, um, “My mother was taken in her pajamas in her bare feet, you know, no shoes.

” So it’s pretty clear at this point that Sheriff Nanos messed with us at the beginning.

Uh, told us and untold us and Savannah’s told us, you know, multiple times now.

So, it appears she was taken from her bed.

And again, that guy’s got a gun, so it doesn’t take a lot to get someone to move at gunpoint.

But, uh, so if it’s dark, I mean, yeah, how would you even know they had a gun? Unless they’ve got it out and they’re holding it.

And maybe, you know what? Light switch if he did it.

Who knows, you know? Oh, well, there’s a great place to look for DNA.

I’m sure they looked.

I hope so.

And you know what else I hope they did? Hope they check the fridge doors because you and I know enough sick criminals that get themselves a snack or a drink either in the middle of or before they perpetrate their crimes.

I mean, the toilet.

I mean, there’s a number of things we’ve solved where they the perpetrator used the toilet or spit in the toilet and that ended up solving the case.

So, hopefully I’m sure they knew to swab all of those surfaces, the toilet seat, you know, the everything, the the faucet in there.

Who knows? Maybe, you know, the guy needed a quick drink of water and used the faucet to to get a little bit with his hand.

I mean, you hope they did.

Uh there’s a lot that’s happened in this that makes me shake my head.

42 minutes, right? He was in there.

I just hard to tell.

I mean, look, it’s really hard to tell how long he was in there because what we all we know is 1:47 a.

m.

the camera disconnects.

We don’t know which camera.

Maybe we can assume that’s when the camera breaks off from the front mount.

And then at 2:12 a.

m.

a person is detected on camera.

So it’s it’s disconnected, but then a person connects.

And then at 2:28, her pacemaker separates from her Apple devices, which is likely the time that she was taken.

But it is hard to know in between any of that how much time did he actually spend in the house? How much time did he spend outside breaking things and smashing things? I just can’t imagine you know any significant amount of time inside 30 minutes 20 minutes you are going to leave your DNA behind no matter how hard you try not to and it really is just a matter of finding that and collecting that DNA and so I don’t think there’s a question of whether he left DNA I think that he absolutely left some sort of DNA but is it findable you know is it detectable through standard collection ction methods.

That is the question.

And so, you know, we know they opened the home back up relatively quickly, but Oh, relatively extremely quickly.

30 hoursish.

But didn’t they just allow the family in, you know, known people into the home? Sure, because it belongs to them.

But the outside of the home, uh, reporters and delivery guys and pizza people and flower deliveries, they were all walking up and down that front porch area, right where the blood was and right where the bracket for the nest cam still was.

Yeah.

Never took the half moon uh foot carpet from the welcome mat from the front door.

Never took it.

To my knowledge, never took it.

Yeah, that seems concerning.

I always hesitate to criticize law enforcement because a lot of times I’ve been working a case and heard the public criticizing and knew it wasn’t deserved.

So I’m, as I said, very slow to do that.

But it does seem concerning that they didn’t take the doormat, that they didn’t take the mount until you said a couple weeks later.

I’ll criticize them for you, CeCe.

Um, you’re right about that.

They didn’t take the mount for a couple weeks.

They didn’t take the dormat, I think, ever.

And they didn’t take the flower detus uh from beneath the the mount, which makes me assume they also did take the fragments of glass that Michael Ruiz from Fox News reported he saw beneath the U nest camera mount.

So I’ll criticize them for you.

That’s added there.

I think that was the best chance of having saliva dipped dripping because he had if he had that bite light in his mouth, which we think he did, and he leaned forward to try to take that camera off.

It’s almost impossible, I think, not to have a little bit of saliva then land on that cement below.

So, I hope they, you know, they thought to swab that, but of course, they didn’t have the footage yet, so it might not have occurred to them.

Didn’t matter.

They knew he’d been there.

They knew he’d gotten that camera off its mount.

They knew that on day one.

That was one of the big things.

Camera’s missing.

Blood on the step.

Back door wide open.

Uh-oh.

NY’s gone.

Something horrible’s happened here.

So, they knew that he’d been at that front messing with that camera.

I just so shocked that they didn’t take them out.

And you’re right.

Uh he would have had to have touched it in some way.

We saw him touching it.

You know, we saw it.

Yeah.

I just I’ve never had one of those bite lights in my mouth, but I just imagine it’s very easy to slobber.

I Well, I know you got to put it in there.

And I know you got to take it out if you’re going to if you’re going to demand something.

If you’re going to command someone verbally, you got to take that bite light out, you know.

But I mean, when he was trying to disable the camera and he was leaning forward Yeah.

I just feel like it’s very likely that he might have slobbered a little, you know, or maybe those shards of glass below might have some of that DNA on it from the the mucking about before he actually got it separated.

Well, and certainly the mount like you mentioned.

I mean, in order to get enough force to remove the camera, it certainly seems you would have to brace yourself with that.

So maybe that is where we’re seeing the mixture from.

Though I just can’t imagine many people would have touched that camera mount.

And so and maybe, you know, maybe he didn’t have as much DNA on his gloves at that point because that a lot of people a lot of people touch the the Ring doorbell on that Nest Cam, right? They’ll they’ll touch it.

Um Oh, is it the same? But who knows where his is located.

So you’re right.

It could be on that.

It could be on the door handle, but it’s it or a light switch, like you mentioned, the light switch is a great source of DNA if you used it.

Yeah.

You know, if there’s one thing uh this conversation has done, it has deconvoluted this story for me because of you.

Good use of the new vocab word.

I get I get smarter by the minute when you show up.

Thank you so much for this.

Oh, thank you for having me.

I wish we knew more, but we’ll just keep plugging along.

And you seem to be a great source of information.

Well, I keep trying.

and it’s only because of people like you.

So, thanks again.

Thank you.

So, there you have it.

Um, really fascinating and I really hope that the lab in Florida is able to do what Pima County Sheriff’s uh have not been able to do, and that is solve this case.

If they could do what we know has been done before, or at least we believe has been done before, taken something awful and made it make sense and then led to a suspect.

Well, I hope he’s shaking in his shoes right now.

You know, because they often say in true crime, you can run but you can’t hide.

Thank you so much for being with us.

Thank you for listening and thank you for watching.

And remember, uh, the truth isn’t just serious, it’s drop deadad serious.

 

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